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34 statements · 1 politicians · August 27, 2025
Statements by Sérgio Moro. 34 transcribed statements, with topic and stance on the ones the analysis classified. Topics: Parliamentary Investigation, Combating Impunity, Employment and Social Assistance, Public Service.
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About: appoint independent parliamentarians to chair and report CPMIs
Good afternoon to everyone, Senators. I want to note here the importance of the opposition having been able to appoint independent Parliamentarians to the positions of Chair and Rapporteur of the CPMI (Parliamentary Inquiry Commission) of the INSS.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
The country witnessed, roughly 120 days ago, the frightening revelations about this large and new criminal scandal of the Lula government.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
It is true that there are records that fraudulent deductions had already occurred previously, but there was an exponential growth of this fraud.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
Furthermore, well-founded suspicions arose that bribes had been paid to senior INSS officials appointed during the Lula administration: the former President of the INSS, the former Attorney General of the INSS and likewise the former General Coordinator of Benefits.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
We saw these events explode into the news about 120 days ago.
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About: investigate diversion of INSS funds to unions and associations
There is also information of an estimated potential of the fraud on the order of R$5 billion, with money being directed to unions and associations that provide political support to the Lula government.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
However, since then, Senator Plínio, we have seen no further consequences.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
The matter was gradually removed from the news.
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About: block assets of those involved in corruption schemes
On the other hand, we saw the AGU propose action to freeze assets of some of the entities involved, but strangely sparing those more closely linked to the Government, including one of them having as Vice‑President the brother of President Lula.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
And, suddenly, the cases that were underway, the investigations that were underway, even proceeding correctly in the first instances, were all taken to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), based on an alleged prevention in the office of Minister Dias Toffoli, which did not exist — it was recently decided that it did not exist.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
The investigations remained, during that period, paralyzed. So there was a situation in which, gradually, that scandal was being set aside, away from the news, with the investigations paralyzed because of that procedural maneuvering.
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About: avoid politicization of CPIs and maintain an investigative focus
At the same time, once the installation of the CPMI (Parliamentary Inquiry Commission) had been approved, there was a movement by the Government to control it, so that it would be a friendly CPMI, so that it would be a CPMI that would not advance deeply into these investigations.
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About: appoint independent parliamentarians to chair and report CPMIs
And, suddenly, the opposition, of which I am a part, did indeed secure the appointment of independent Rapporteur and Chair.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
Now there is hope that the facts can be properly investigated, regardless of whom it hurts, whether there are people from the previous government or from the current government, but let us point out here that the main suspicions fall on officials of the current administration, including those appointed by Lula, and that presidents of unions and associations that support the Government are likewise the main suspects of being the beneficiaries of this gigantic fraud.
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About: avoid politicization of CPIs and maintain an investigative focus
That is why this CPMI, which, by the way, is an instrument of the minority, cannot be controlled by the Government; it cannot be a crony investigation.
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About: summon parliamentarians and witnesses to testify at the CPMI
I was surprised, however, Senator Plínio, to learn that a PT militant deputy requested that I be summoned to the CPMI.
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About: keep the Ministry of Justice uninvolved in social security fraud
I do not know exactly what I would speak about, because I headed the Ministry of Justice and Public Security, which never had any involvement, never had any relation with INSS retirements or pensions, and never had any relation with fraudulent deductions.
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About: order investigation if there is concrete information about fraud
In the Ministry of Justice and Public Security that I led, I never received specific information that this type of fraud was occurring on a large scale.
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About: thoroughly investigate the thefts against INSS retirees and pensioners
If I had received that information, Senator Marcos Pontes, I would have immediately ordered a deep and comprehensive investigation to search for and put those people behind bars, in prison, because anyone who robs retirees and pensioners, more vulnerable people, deserves long prison sentences, unlike those January 8 demonstrators, who are people who got carried away, who made mistakes, but who are being punished with excessive harshness.
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About: hold accountable and punish those who disobey the law
Now these INSS thieves need to be punished harshly.
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About: investigate and dismantle corruption schemes of the PT government
Unlike the former Minister of Social Security and the current Minister of Social Security, who at the time was Secretary of Social Security, Wolney Queiroz, I was never specifically informed in a ministerial meeting about these frauds, about this deficit and I remained silent, or did not speak up, or did not take any measures, or merely followed the facts unfolding to have results the following year because of investigations by the CGU and the Federal Police, but if you want to insist on this summons, I will go, because there is one thing I can contribute, Senator Plínio: I am a specialist in uncovering and dismantling corruption schemes of the PT (Workers' Party) government.
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About: investigate corruption at Petrobras
During the previous PT (Workers' Party) government, in Lula's terms, we had the largest corruption scandal in this country, which was the looting of Petrobras.
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About: recover resources diverted from state-owned companies
More than R$6 billion stolen were recovered by Petrobras alone.
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About: recover resources diverted from state-owned companies
The hole must have been, unfortunately, even larger, but it was possible to recover a good part of that theft.
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About: investigate and punish those involved in corruption at Petrobras
At that time, it was said that to obtain a contract with Petrobras, one had to pay bribes, not only to Petrobras directors, but also to steer funds to political parties, among them the PT (Workers' Party), to political agents of the PT.
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About: dismantle corruption schemes at Petrobras and recover resources
In carrying out Operation Car Wash, we dismantled this fraudulent scheme that so embarrassed Brazil.
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About: appear and testify at the INSS CPMI
So, if you really want to hear me, I make myself available.
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About: reveal and investigate the modus operandi of corruption linked to the PT government
I'll go there and reveal this modus operandi of the PT (Workers' Party) governments of wanting to raise smoke screens to conceal their own responsibility, because it was INSS employees appointed by Lula, because it was a union that has as Vice‑President the brother of President Lula, who are the main suspects of this INSS theft, of this fraud, which victimized millions of vulnerable people, retirees and pensioners, who did not even have the means to defend themselves, because many of them did not even know that their benefits were being fraudulently deducted.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
Now, I hope and have faith that this CPMI, today chaired and reported by independent Parliamentarians, has the capacity to investigate, leaving no stone unturned, determining responsibilities and sending those INSS thieves to jail.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
That is what we wish, as Parliamentarians here in the Senate, and that is what the population expects to be carried out.
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About: ensure operation of investigative institutions and free distribution of cases
And, to a pleasant surprise, this movement in the CPMI also caused the institutions responsible for the investigation to move, and that prevention in the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) was simply...
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About: ensure the Judiciary's independence and impartiality
It was understood that there was no prevention and there was a free distribution of the cases, which ended up in the hands of Minister André Mendonça, who is known for his competence, but also for his independence as a magistrate with respect to the Government.
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About: investigate and punish those responsible for fraud in INSS
So, in some way, it seems that the universe conspires for good, so that these facts are truly investigated and not covered up, as apparently the Lula government intended to do.
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About: ensure continuity of CPMI and Federal Police investigations
Their plan did not succeed, and I hope they do not manage to stifle the investigations of the CPMI or, now, of the Federal Police, which may resume their course.
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