Sérgio Moro: In the Ministry of Justice and Public Security that I led, I never received specific information that this type of fraud was occurring on a large scale.
Sérgio Moro: If I had received that information, Senator Marcos Pontes, I would have immediately ordered a deep and comprehensive investigation to search for and put those people behind bars, in prison, because anyone who robs retirees and pensioners, more vulnerable people, deserves long prison sentences, unlike those January 8 demonstrators, who are people who got carried away, who made mistakes, but who are being punished with excessive harshness.
Now these INSS thieves need to be punished harshly.
Sérgio Moro: Unlike the former Minister of Social Security and the current Minister of Social Security, who at the time was Secretary of Social Security, Wolney Queiroz, I was never specifically informed in a ministerial meeting about these frauds, about this deficit and I remained silent, or did not speak up, or did not take any measures, or merely followed the facts unfolding to have results the following year because of investigations by the CGU and the Federal Police, but if you want to insist on this summons, I will go, because there is one thing I can contribute, Senator Plínio: I am a specialist in uncovering and dismantling corruption schemes of the PT (Workers' Party) government.
Sérgio Moro: During the previous PT (Workers' Party) government, in Lula's terms, we had the largest corruption scandal in this country, which was the looting of Petrobras.