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allTV - Painel Haddad (19/08/2019) - DENISE PIRES DE CARVALHO
280 statements · 1 politicians · August 19, 2019 · 33 min
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My guest today holds a degree in Medicine and advocates research as the essence of university life.
She was the first woman to be re-elected rector of the country's largest and oldest Federal University, the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro.
Good evening, Denise Pires de Carvalho.
How are you?
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Good evening, Fernando.
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It's a great pleasure to have you here.
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The pleasure is all mine.
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It's an honor to be with you, who are one of the country's foremost education specialists.
Thank you very much, Denise.
Some specialists have said that Futurice is, in fact, a device that the federal government is proposing to replace the financing
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public,
which is its responsibility, since it is the maintainer of the federal institutions,
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a private investment that is uncertain, because the volume of resources required is unknown. Even in advanced countries like the United States, it represents a very small fraction of a university's total funding.
I saw a study reporting that in the United States, which has a strong privatizing bias, corporate funding accounts for only 6% of the funding of American universities.
Doesn't it seem like a contradiction to you to talk about autonomy at the same time you are trying to remove the commitment of public funds and replace them with financing that, at the very least, is very uncertain?
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Indeed, American universities, to use them as an example, are based on the Berlin model, which is the research university.
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Research and development are responsibilities of the State; they cannot be affected by a government.
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or another government.
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And that requires public funding.
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So, when the MEC mixes the salary, for example, of inactive professors and adds it to the salary of active professors and also the discretionary budget, which is the operating budget for basic functioning, for payment of electricity and water, when it adds all that up and makes a calculation saying that the university is very expensive, first it is mixing the salary of inactive professors, who have already contributed but no longer contribute to the training of the student in that period.
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So, first, what is the calculation?
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How much does it cost to educate that student?
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When we calculate the cost of a degree, for example, at our institutions, that cost is much lower than at American universities, where in some cases 80% is public funding.
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On average, around 60% is public funding.
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That is not counting the endowment funds that have existed there for a long time.
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In short, corporate funding is very limited.
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Imagine Brazil, where we still do not have a strong industry, strong companies, and we have an economic crisis.
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Therefore, public funding is the guarantee of the continuity of these institutions that are very important for the country's future.
And regarding the profile of students, a criticism used to be that the university was very elitist, only admitting students from private high schools, but there has been a profound change in the last 10 to 15 years.
and the universities, understanding the challenge that was posed, especially for the lower‑income population, who cannot afford the tuition of private institutions.
A very significant change.
What would you tell me about the profile of the student today at UFRJ, compared to 10 or 20 years ago?
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The profile has changed a lot, for the better.
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The REUNE project to restructure the federal universities, during the time you served as Minister, was a program strongly supported by the majority of faculty.
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there at UFRJ.
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I was one of those faculty members who supported that program, that project to democratize access to higher education.
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However, we now need to fight for the retention of these students.
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So, the student assistance program is very important; it should be expanded and not discontinued.
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But beyond that program, we need to have infrastructure to serve students, for example, study rooms.
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