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Renan fala ao SBT Brasil sobre propostas para a Presidência, em série de entrevistas | #SBTBrasil
405 statements · 1 politicians · September 21, 2026 · 30 min
Statements by Renan Santos. 405 transcribed statements, with topic and stance on the ones the analysis classified. Topics: Combating Impunity, Opinion Polls, Affirmative action, Diversity Policies.
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Renan Santos: "I did not comply with an illegal decision that came from him, because you need people with blood in their veins, who are not afraid to say what they think and who strongly believe that Brazil can be a much, much better place."
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405 statementsFull transcript of the video. Statements the analysis classified carry topic and stance.
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SBT Brasil will now interview the presidential candidate for Missão, Renan Santos.
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Joining me are presenter Marina De Mori and SBT News analyst Basília Rodrigues.
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Good evening to my colleagues.
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Candidate, good evening to you, thank you very much.
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And from now on your time starts to run.
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The first question I ask you is the following.
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Our reporting has found that in recent days Flávio Bolsonaro's campaign has reportedly begun contacting teams of candidates more aligned with the right, already eyeing future alliances for the second round.
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Has your team already been contacted by Flávio Bolsonaro?
People connected to him.
First, good evening to everyone present here.
It's an honor to be here at SBT again and to be able to lay out all the points and bring the truth about everything.
So I will not dodge any question.
I won't dodge this one either.
There were people linked to his group.
who got in touch with mutual friends, saying, look, would you be up for a conversation?
- Against
About: formar alianças eleitorais com pessoas envolvidas em escândalos de corrupção
I say this: talking with Flávio's crew is tantamount to forming a criminal gang.
- Against
About: formar alianças eleitorais com pessoas envolvidas em escândalos de corrupção
I don't associate with people who are involved in the worst corruption scandals in our history.
- Against
About: formar alianças eleitorais com pessoas envolvidas em escândalos de corrupção
I would never give up anything in my campaign to take part in anything involving that man.
Today images were released of him taking part in a safari with Willer Thomas and Everton Rocha, both part of the central pivot of the NSS scandal.
And Willer Thomas is, in fact, a hidden partner in his firm.
I can't mix with those people.
- Against
About: formar alianças eleitorais com pessoas envolvidas em escândalos de corrupção
I think it's outrageous that in Brazil people would dare to mix with one criminal to get rid of another.
Desconhecido
Does that mean that in a possible second round, without you, you will not recommend voting for Flávio Bolsonaro?
That means that in the second round I am Renan Santos, number 14, always.
I'm mobilizing a generation of people around the country, packing events, without needing to pay us or bring obligated public employees, like Lula's and Flávio's campaigns are doing at their events.
And I'm mobilizing a huge youth movement that is saying no, we don't believe we need to depend on two criminals to change the country; we can point our own path.
So I will be with Renan—myself—in the second round.
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Marina.
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Candidate, good evening.
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Thank you once again for the interview.
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I'd like to talk about the numbers in the electoral polls.
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We've seen a recent drop in the latest polls, at least the more traditional ones, in the voting intentions for your name.
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The Quest poll, which was released just a short while ago, for example, shows you in fifth place in this electoral race.
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In the first round, behind Lula, Flávio, also Augusto Cury and Ronaldo Caiado, you appear with 3% of the voting intentions.
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I ask you, what is missing for you to be able to turn all the engagement—first, linked to the history of the MBL—and your engagement on social media into voting intentions?
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What's missing?
It's definitely not lacking in Quest, because in Quest I have always appeared with 3%.
Since January I have been at many degrees of magnitude larger than I was — in networks the size of my event — I am the campaign with the largest number of private donors, people participating, I am much better known, I have taken part in interviews and debates on television, and they keep me always at 3%.
Either there is a very serious methodological problem in this poll by Felipe Nunes, or Felipe Nunes does what many other research institutes in Brazilian history used to do, which is cater to the wishes of certain clients.
I don't take that guy seriously, I never have.
and don't take Quest's phone-survey methodology seriously.
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Is there any poll you believe in?
Atlas, Power, Real Time, Big Data.
- For
About: priorizar pesquisas eleitorais por internet para captar eleitores engajados
I think everyone who works with the methodologies the world has been using with greater emphasis — that is, the internet, using a voter who is more engaged — I think this tends to present and anticipate results with greater accuracy.
And in all those polls, curiously, I appear better.
- Against
About: realizar pesquisas eleitorais por amostragem de rua para medir intenção de voto
I think street polls, like Datafolha, produce results... good only on the eve [of the election].
They can't capture the movement and formation of public opinion, the formation of a trend.
Quest also works with street surveys.
I think today they are poor.
They can't capture the kind of voter who shapes opinion around them.
When you survey a person who has no intention of voting, their voting intention is low, and if they are captured in the middle of the street, they will only do recall.
What is recall?
They will remember the candidates they already know.
This person has a low degree of conviction within the community they live in, which could be their family or workplace.
Internet polls capture people who are already more engaged in the voting decision, therefore they capture and anticipate the possibility of multiplication.
That's why, around the world, these polls are becoming more effective.
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Just adding one more data point from this poll, candidate, because it also shows an increase in rejection toward your name.
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In the last poll, you appeared with 30% rejection.
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Today, 35% of voters say they would not vote for you under any circumstances.
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Do you attribute this increase in rejection to your name 14 days before the first round?
I repeat, I don't take the Quest poll seriously.
Today, if it is a Palver poll that places me with 11% voting intentions, and among the terms respondents say why they vote for that candidate, they say he is the candidate who has the most proposals.
That is to say, this is the opposite of a rejected candidate.
It's a candidate people seek out because he has proposals.
So, again, I repeat here, I don't take that institute seriously, I don't take Felipe Nunes of Quest seriously, and I very much regret that broadcasters use him as a reference.
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Well, I would like to learn more about your thinking as a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic and also give you the opportunity to better present yourself to our audience and talk about your proposals.
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The Movimento Brasil Livre, the MBL, where you come from, is sometimes accused of having... supremacist ties, of having neo-Nazi and racist connections and everything that involves this theme, which is quite controversial but needs to be better explained to our electorate, our audience.
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Does Mr. Renan Santos have relations with supremacist movements, as the MBL supposedly does?
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Do you think this could be something that gives you more or fewer votes?
I find this kind of inquiry, accusation, bizarre, because we have to ask: called me a supremacist movement — what is a supremacist?
White?
In a country where most of the population is mixed-race, in a social movement where most members are mixed-race, which was the first right-wing group in Brazil to elect a young black man as city councilor — who was Fernando Holliday, of sad memory, who left our group to pander to bolsonarism.
I think that accusation makes no sense.
We have a young black man, but well voted for state deputy in Brazil, who is Guto Zacarias, who is with great pride our deputy.
These accusations are always very, very empty.
And everyone who is on the right is, to some extent, the target of this kind of comment.
The problem is proving it.
Prove it.
Prove it.
An online profile says this or that, everybody talks.
The issue is to prove it.
They never prove it.
It's always an empty accusation.
The same thing as calling us Nazis.
I was just lecturing at the Jewish community here in São Paulo, producing magazines, plenty of materials against the left- and right-wing antisemitism that is emerging in Generation Z. Today I have a nascent antisemitism.
growing on social networks, worldwide, and we denounce it, then they say, ah, but... ah, but it's 'just loving more', it's nothing.
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Do you think there is a distortion, then, of your image?
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Is that also why you don't appear so well in the polls?
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Because you go against accusations and stigmas that try to attach themselves to your image as a young candidate, linked to a social movement, who has more right-wing ideas.
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Do you think there is...
I think that in the real world nobody cares, because nobody takes those accusations seriously.
In the real world, if the accusation is serious, people take it seriously.
Now, when they take an absurd accusation and throw it at someone whom people perceive has nothing to do with it, the public isn't stupid, the public notices.
These are attacks the left throws at everyone who thinks differently.
So, if you, for example, are opposed to certain practices of the black movement... Even our black members are targets of these accusations.
A young black man in our group is also called a supremacist because he is opposed to certain quota policies.
Wow, so the young black man is a supremacist.
One of our women will be labeled sexist because she is not in favor of certain excesses of the feminist movement.
These are the stigmas the left keeps using and that wear down the term.
And then when everyone becomes a fascist, no one is a fascist.
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And what is your opinion on quotas?
I am the opposite of someone who supports quotas.
On the contrary.
Why?
- Against
About: adopt racial quotas
It is a model hostile to merit; it is a model that seeks to correct, after the fact, a real problem that exists, which is in Brazil's public education.
Young children, of all shades and colors, are subject today to a precarious education.
And education in Brazil is very precarious.
Basic education, by not adopting the phonics method, which is the most certified method in the world for teaching children to read, by not adopting methods and performance indicators to reward.
the families of the children who have better performance, school principals who have better performance and teachers who have better performance, these children arrive poorly prepared to participate in a vestibular and then they will lose spots at universities.
to children who study, for example, in private schools.
When that happens, the State comes and says, ah, no, it's because there is structural racism.
and then the black child — I'll give her a quota.
Now it's quotas for her, for quilombolas, for trans people, for indigenous people.
Then we don't solve the education problem; we give a 'pé de meia', which is a scholarship that costs 12 billion for the child to go to school and not learn anything, and that doesn't solve public education.
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And how do you correct that?
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Because, in any case, the starting point has to be equal for everyone.
That's what I think: the starting point should be equal for everyone.
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But if it isn't, how do you correct it along the way?
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By correcting it.
- For
About: end the quota system
That's why we're going to, we're going to end the quota regime in five years and transition to a brand-new model.
- For
About: end the quota system
Every child who is capable of passing a good vestibular, who comes from a public school — white, black, pardo — and the children who are present in public schools are majority pardo, and there is a large presence of black children, especially in the humbler places, the State has to be present, identify them, administer annual tests, look, this child has better performance, I'll give a scholarship to her, see, a scholarship when she's 11, 12 years old, I'll give a scholarship for that child to already go to a better school, either public or private, in that state.
To prepare her for the vestibular, because it is in the State's interest to invest so that this child arrives with high quality to participate in the vestibular on equal terms.
- For
About: end the quota system
I'm talking about giving money to the families who have these better students in public schools, so that the families invest and understand that education is a value and that their children compete on equal terms.
That will cost less than the 'pé de meia'.
Because the 'pé de meia' model is 12 billion reais, it's in high school, it consumes money.
It goes to the school, it consumes money.
Are they learning anything?
They aren't.
Are they respecting the teacher?
Not necessarily.
They're using their cell phones inside the classroom.
And that doesn't work; it's a policy that is not friendly to merit.
- For
About: end the quota system
Being a friend of merit is selecting those children who are in those public schools and offering them a good education, creating methods and processes to qualify who are the principals of the best schools, who are the best teachers, giving bonuses to them and going after those talented children, who will be, for example, in any classroom there will be 2 to 3% who will be capable of passing a major vestibular.
And the State should put the money into her.
That special child, that child who will be able to pass the vestibular — and we will find many black, indigenous, trans children, whatever, who are talented — that child will be saved by this investment and will compete in the vestibular.
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Renan, do you think there is racism in Brazil?
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Thinking about policies for the black public in Brazil, which is the majority of the population, right?
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The majority of the population in Brazil is black, this sum of... blacks and pardos.
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You, as a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic, do you have a policy for Brazil's black people?
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And I'd like you to also state your opinion on racism in the country.
- For
About: adopt intersectional policies on gender, race, and class
First, I think there is racism in Brazil.
Second, I don't make that accumulation like 'pardo is black' — no; pardo is pardo, black is black, white is white, you have a very large racial mixture in Brazil, so I will not import that American model.
which they call the one-drop rule, which is, in fact, racist.
Because Americans do the following: if you have a little bit of black blood in your family, it means you were tainted.
I don't believe in that.
I think a pardo person can be proud and protective of their black, indigenous, white, European origin — it doesn't matter.
I think we cannot work with those categories imported from the United States.
- For
About: não adotar categorias raciais importadas no desenho de políticas públicas
My government will not operate that way.
I will not import that.
I will offer opportunities and look at... What are the problems that beset black and pardo families in Brazil, who are, according to the IBGE, poorer than white families?
First thing, violence.
Second, employment.
Third, cost of living.
Fourth, housing and favelization.
These are the issues that make these people suffer the most.
And that's where I'm going to strike.
- For
About: implement a national plan to eliminate favelas and combat fraud in housing programs
I am the only candidate who has a proposal for desfavelização in Brazil, to transform neighborhoods, the favelas, in fact, into neighborhoods.
- For
About: adopt varied strategies to combat organized crime
I am the candidate who has the toughest policies for confronting organized crime.
Moreover, in this election... if you'll allow me to comment, there was a lot said about femicide in the election interviews.
But they forgot about the deaths of black and pardo people, who are the biggest victims of violence overall in Brazil.
Pardo men, black men, and women — for example pardo and black women — make up 67% of femicide cases.
So this problem exists, but in this election no one asked about it.
I was not questioned.
And why do I think there was no questioning about it?
Because people are taking as a given that a part of the population can be treated like animals, and I don't agree with that.
- For
About: implementar políticas de habitação para reduzir pobreza entre famílias negras e pardas
I think structural policies involve housing, involve employment, involve public security and necessarily involve reducing the cost of living.
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Candidate, you spoke about public security and in one of your recent speeches you mentioned militarizing Brazil.
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Where would that militarization begin?
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And when we talk about this issue, we know that it also encompasses other sectors.
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It extends to education, it extends to the very desfavelização.
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In the case of desfavelização, for example, would you use military force to remove families from where they live or to prevent new occupations from happening?
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No, because that is not in my government plan.
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I also do not use the term 'militarization of Brazil.'
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But you used it in a speech this past weekend.
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About: declare a state of war against criminal factions
I can militarize schools, I can declare war on organized crime.
The term 'militarize Brazil' — I'm not sure it's precise to describe what I intend to do.
As for a policy of civilization, it's the opposite of that.
- For
About: provide social housing for families in high-risk areas
No one will be expelled from where they are living.
We will transform those places into neighborhoods.
Now, if a person lives on a slope that can be swept away during a flash flood or a flood, yes, that person will have to move and we will build buildings in other places to rehouse those dwellings.
Because every time there is a climate disaster in Brazil, the people who suffer the most are those who live on slopes.
Just look at what happened now in Juiz de Fora.
Not now, right?
This year.
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It was a disaster.
Who died?
The people who live on slopes.
The policy of desfavelization is, above all, a humanitarian policy.
People who live on slopes are the ones who die the most in those landslides.
So we desperately need a policy of investment in housing.
And this has nothing to do with militarization.
- For
About: conduct public security operations to combat organized crime
What I will do, however, is if a favela is occupied by organized crime, we will sweep out organized crime.
And not necessarily with the armed forces, because the armed forces don't have experience of warfare.
They don't have experience of confronting on a battlefield.
Those who will carry out this confrontation will be the police, in coordination with the federal government.
Desconhecido
Would that be the militarization?
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Because I think it wasn't very clear what you were exactly referring to during that speech, because you said, if elected, I will militarize Brazil to combat organized crime.
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If I'm not mistaken, that was your phrase.
- Ambiguous
Desconhecido
About: utilizar militares na administração pública
Will you use military personnel in various areas of the public administration?
Look, I don't remember having used it — I give four, five speeches a day, I don't remember — but I can assume what you stated is true and explain what I mean by militarization.
Shall we put it that way?
- For
About: declare a state of war against criminal factions
I intend to declare a war on organized crime.
- For
About: declare a state of war against criminal factions
And when I say war, for the first time in Brazil, people will see what it is for a leader to confront crime and how it must be confronted.
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About: Establish national public security coordination to combat organized crime
I will set up a coordination committee of state governors, also using the Federal Police, a committee that includes the state police forces, I will use COAF, I will use all instruments at the government's disposal, including ABIN, to carry out a border policy with the federal government, and I will coordinate the actions so we can destroy all the factions in the country.
- Against
About: transformar o Brasil em uma república militar
If that is 'militarizing'... That may be the term, but there is no transformation of Brazil into a military republic.
- For
About: decree states of defense and federal interventions to confront organized crime
Moreover, when I speak of using, for example, state of defense and guarantee of law and order, so those watching can understand, it's basically having a special statute so that when you face crime in a region, the military, especially the police, have more means of action; this will be done regionally, not at the national level.
- For
About: decree states of defense and federal interventions to confront organized crime
So I will, for example, put a favela that is taken over by crime in a state of defense so the police can go in there and defeat the crime — an entire city — but not...
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I would like you, sir, to talk about some actions that are pending at the Superior Electoral Court and that involve your candidacy.
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Recently Minister Dias Toffoli even suspended your campaign on social networks for a few days, including your appearances in interviews and debates.
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That suspension ceased to exist in another decision by the minister.
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Do you still feel the harm from the interruption of your campaign at that time, from Minister Dias Toffoli's decision at the TSE?
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And furthermore, did you inform the Electoral Justice which networks, which profiles are campaigning for you?
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And, knowing that you understand a lot about social networks, about this digital campaign, how would you describe today the campaign being run by your opponents?
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A combo of questions, help me if I forget any.
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We'll remember.
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Internet, Electoral Justice and voter attention.
- For
About: garantir liberdade de campanha nas redes sociais
Yes, Dias Toffoli harmed me.
Yes, it was on purpose.
Yes, it was revenge for my having organized four demonstrations calling for his head, for his obvious involvement in the Banco Master scandal.
- For
About: garantir liberdade de campanha nas redes sociais
Yes, the harm I suffered was enormous, not only for being unable to communicate for a day and a half, but because it disengaged the social network's own algorithm, which has its own operating mechanism, and if you stop producing content or it is turned off, it doesn't start working again.
One of my networks, TikTok, was basically killed — I don't even have TikTok anymore.
That prevents me from speaking daily with millions of people.
He won't make up for that damage.
So much so that he behaved like a brat.
He went and issued a decision ex officio, taking down all my social media, preventing me from campaigning.
The next day, without reading any petition of mine, he went back.
Ex officio.
No, he went back.
What do you mean?
It's a decision by a person who considers himself an emperor.
There, unfortunately, in the higher courts, everyone considers themselves an emperor unto themselves.
It's bizarre.
- Neutral
About: informar à Justiça Eleitoral as redes e perfis usados em campanha
Regarding informing the networks, I did inform.
I, like thousands — there were more than 6,400 candidates.
We had problems filling it out because, one, the TSE site kept crashing, and two, the TSE site, when allowing you to fill in the information, is vague.
It writes like this: official site.
Ah, my official site is, I don't know, renampresidente.com.br and my account on Twitter.
Most candidates didn't report all the networks because it was confusing.
I made it public, I even went to the TSE and said, look, I understand, a correction must be made.
Before anything else I had already informed [them].
Most candidates didn't inform [their networks].
- For
About: garantir igualdade de tratamento pela Justiça Eleitoral
And then I was the only one, among more than 6,000 candidates in the country, who was punished.
Curiously, the only one to call demonstrations against Dias Toffoli himself.
Coincidences.
And about social networks, you asked me.
- For
About: desenvolver estratégias de campanha nas redes sociais
About strategies, Lula has no social media strategy; Lula is running a kind of loose campaign.
- Against
About: utilizar influenciadores digitais em campanhas eleitorais
Flávio Bolsonaro has a campaign in which he hardly appears speaking and what he does is try to call influencers, perhaps very well motivated, to say that Flávio will win in the first round because he is creating a lie.
- Against
About: use online narrative battles as a campaign strategy
It's the lie that if you don't vote for Flávio, Lula wins.
Speaking to the viewer watching: Brazil has a two-round election.
It's a lie that not voting for Flávio makes Lula win.
Anyone you vote for who isn't Lula will prevent Lula from winning.
And I am the person who will defeat Lúcio at everything, because I already defeated the PT in Dilma's impeachment, I can speak in public better than Flávio, and Flávio runs away from me in debates.
Desconhecido
Sir, are you accusing Flávio's campaign of paying profiles to create content against you, against the opponents, and favorable to him?
- Against
About: contratar perfis e impulsionar conteúdo pago em campanhas eleitorais
I strongly suspect he is doing that.
And now I'm going to make an accusation, and I'm going to make it public here, so you can have a scoop on your program.
- For
About: investigar e punir interferência estrangeira em campanhas eleitorais
Today... screenshots were captured, and this is already being forwarded to the electoral justice, of American agents boosting content from the United States to Brazil, publishing numbers favorable to Flávio Bolsonaro.
Desconhecido
Is this part of the American intervention strategy in the electoral campaign, as has been denounced by the Lula government?
Actually, the first person to denounce this was me.
Of interference by the United States, through a group called Rock Bridge, in Flávio Bolsonaro's campaign, with people connected to the rare earths universe.
There is an American company linked to this, which is directly or indirectly connected to Flávio Bolsonaro's circle; a memorandum from Flávio's campaign has already leaked to the press saying he would be a major partner on rare earths.
- For
About: investigar e punir interferência estrangeira em campanhas eleitorais
And, curiously, members of this same Trump-linked group are boosting — which is prohibited by law — pro‑Flávio content for Brazil.
Desconhecido
And does that unbalance the playing field?
Desconhecido
Are you already feeling that?
- For
About: investigar e punir interferência estrangeira em campanhas eleitorais
Of course, of course it unbalances the game.
It's illegal to do that.
And it's not only illegal, it's immoral.
How can we allow Americans to influence the Brazilian election?
It's the equivalent of Lula using Chinese or, I don't know, Cubans to support him.
Desconhecido
Do you have proof of this allegation?
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Yes, yes.
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Will you file some action at the TSE?
- For
About: appeal to the courts to challenge electoral content
Yes, yes, it's already with our legal team.
This is absurd.
Members, I'll name a person who had even been nominated to be a secretary in the American government — his name is Matt, Matt Gass, I think that's his name — disseminating boosted content, publishing Polymarket numbers favorable to Flávio, boosted with money for the Brazilian public.
Appearing to Brazilians.
- For
About: investigar e punir interferência estrangeira em campanhas eleitorais
This is a man — this is a crime.
Desconhecido
Could this invalidate Flávio's candidacy?
That's up to the judges and ministers.
And then, in Brazil, it depends.
It depends.
Maybe, sometimes, the minister is friends with one [of them].
Desconhecido
Does it depend on who is the rapporteur?
It depends on the mood and on who, sometimes, was on Vorcaro's phone.
Today, to say we have an impartial STF, an impartial TSE, is a joke.
Today it's some kind of court of anything.
Desconhecido
Candidate, well, Marina, you go, afterwards I want to ask a question about your proposals.
Desconhecido
Go ahead, Marina.
Desconhecido
I'd like to change the subject, candidate, so we can talk about Bolsa Família.
- Ambiguous
Desconhecido
About: reverter aumento do Bolsa Família anunciado no período eleitoral
You, your party, filed an action with the TSE to try to reverse the increase that was announced last week by the Lula government in Bolsa Família, on the eve of the electoral process.
Desconhecido
On Friday, Minister Gilmar Mendes understood the measure to be constitutional, but you still haven't had a response from Minister André Mendonça.
Desconhecido
This process is underway.
Desconhecido
And another question I ask you.
- Ambiguous
Desconhecido
About: maintain the Bolsa Família amount
If elected, will you maintain this increase in Bolsa Família?
Let's go.
Camera 2 looking at you.
I won't.
- Against
About: increase the value of the social benefit (Auxílio Brasil/Bolsa Família)
I think it's wrong, I think it's immoral to do charity with other people's money.
The Brazil that works and produces doesn't vote for Lula.
Lula will stick his hand in the pockets of these people who are already paying extortionate taxes and announces in the middle of an electoral process, 'I'll give you a bit more money.'
That is called vote-buying.
- Neutral
About: prevent electoral use of housing promises and ensure implementation independent of the electoral calendar
Brazilian law prohibits you from making any kind of change to social policy during the election period.
The Lula camp's allegation will be the following: 'No, but I'm just making a correction.'
Make the correction before the election period or after.
He is president in November and December.
Desconhecido
But Bolsonaro did that too in the election.
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And it's wrong.
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And I denounced it the same way.
Desconhecido
And it's wrong.
Desconhecido
But will you reverse it?
Desconhecido
If you are elected, will you reverse this increase?
- For
About: reverter aumento do Bolsa Família anunciado no período eleitoral
I'm trying to reverse it now.
The whole point is, if you want to make a correction, you can make a correction.
Now, you don't make corrections during the election period.
When you take — I'll say it again — from the pocket of those who are working and producing and give it to another part of the population that votes for Lula.
And Lula knows this.
Lula holds the majority among the population that receives Bolsa Família.
Lula's message is this: if you who don't vote for me and who are working, busting your ass, are the owner of a hardware store, are a motorcyclist, a delivery person, an Uber driver, you will pay the bill to buy the votes of the rest of the population.
I think this is eminently immoral.
I will not allow it.
In life, you have to choose a side.
You can't be middle-of-the-road, like, for example, Flávio who said, 'no, no, I'll keep it.'
Obviously, Flávio is a toady.
Flávio is a deceiver; he's basically trying to play Lula's little game of dodging controversial issues.
I won't dodge.
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About: priorizar políticas econômicas em benefício de trabalhadores formais
The Brazilian who is working and producing with me will be the target of my policies before any other group.
You who are working and producing, I will not put on your back, through taxes, the increase that Lula is trying to give to buy the votes of the rest of the population.
Desconhecido
Candidate, I wanted to talk about pension reform.
Desconhecido
Within the proposal you have... there is the use of the FGTS as a savings in favor of that worker when they retire.
Desconhecido
Can you explain to us exactly how it works?
Of course.
- For
About: guarantee social security protection and promote individual retirement savings
The idea is to merge and bring together the amount destined for the INSS with the FGTS to create a savings that yields more than the FGTS yields today.
Today the FGTS's yield is a joke.
And the idea is to allow that yield, to create a real savings so that there is a retirement at the end of that person's life that is substantial.
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About: criar um novo regime trabalhista que aumente a base de contribuição e reduza alíquotas
This also allows, with the new labor model we want to introduce, that you broaden the contribution base and reduce the rates, cutting the tax burden on wages.
And so the take-home pay at the end of the month is larger.
Desconhecido
But then what would you have to offer the millions of workers who are PJs (legal entities) and who don't have a FGTS?
- For
About: criar um novo regime trabalhista intermediário para trabalhadores PJ
Those are the people I mean when I say I'll offer a new labor regime.
Desconhecido
Will you prevent PJ-ization?
Desconhecido
Will you reverse it?
- Against
About: impedir a PJtização
No, it's not about preventing.
It's because today that person is making a choice.
Today we have a labor regime in Brazil that is very cruel.
Today a person, if they were to receive a CLT salary, practically half of the salary stays with the government.
And the other half stays in their pocket.
I can't keep this model because people don't want it.
All the younger generations basically want to work as MEI because they know the money stays with them at the end of the month.
So they are left without social protection at the end of their lives.
What we must create is an intermediate model that includes a contribution.
But that increases and expands the base, reduces informality, so everyone pays a smaller rate, but more people pay.
And then you generate revenue that helps sustain the Brazilian pension system and helps that person have a retirement.
This will be good for everyone.
Desconhecido
Candidate, your name appears in the National Register of Labor Debtors, with debts of more than R$ 36,000.
Desconhecido
This data was made public today, but there are also other labor lawsuits in which your name is included.
- Ambiguous
Desconhecido
About: abolish the Labor Court and integrate its competencies into the ordinary judiciary
Would ending the labor courts not be governing or acting in self-interest?
No.
- For
About: approve administrative and labor reforms
Because if I were to talk about labor lawsuits, all companies in Brazil have them.
And it's a crime to be the target of a lawsuit in the country that has the largest number of labor lawsuits in the world.
Brazil is the largest industry of labor lawsuits in the world.
Any entrepreneur watching me here knows the hell it is to hire someone, to fire someone.
Companies go through difficulties and have to dismiss people.
It's a crime.
Desconhecido
But what explains so many suits against... the companies you were a partner in?
Desconhecido
And not all cases reach the enforcement stage.
Desconhecido
And the suit that appears in Jundiaí has already reached the enforcement stage, that is, all possibilities have been exhausted and there is recognition that you were at fault as a company.
No, because I bought the company with the problems and then I left the company; those debts don't even belong to me.
The debts belong to the company and the company has assets to cover them.
This is called corporate recovery; it's a very common practice and it has nothing to do with me.
Thousands, actually millions, of large companies, including all the media groups in Brazil, have labor lawsuits and it's not a crime.
There's nothing wrong with that.
What is wrong is Brazil being a paradise for the labor compensation industry.
Brazil has more labor compensation payouts than, I don't know, second, third, tenth place combined.
That's absurd.
That's why it's so difficult to hire in Brazil and why people live in informality.
This cannot exist.
And the labor industry costs 24 billion reais per year, a bunch of judges receiving super salaries.
Our economy becomes inefficient and we act as if people have rights.
The most basic right the worker has is the right to work.
Today there is no longer a right to work.
If it were so good, Brazilian workers wouldn't be going to the United States to look for a job with the model I want, which is the more flexible model.
Would Americans be leaving the United States and coming to work here to be all protected by the CLT?
Nobody is doing that.
Because our model is garbage.
It's a model that was conceived in the 1940s, in a world without the internet, without the service economy we have today; it was an antiquated world.
And we want to adapt this so we don't have a bunch of leftist judges trying to close companies, as happens in Brazil.
Desconhecido
I would like to know what your ideas are for the STF, for reforming the judiciary, taking as an example this Bolsa Família issue that you presented at the TSE, and so far there hasn't been a decision from Minister André Mendonça.
Desconhecido
You have already gone there, spoken — as I said, the lawyers directly with the minister, with his office — I think looking at the macro, which is judicial reform, but taking as examples these situations in which the population, and I believe you who filed an action, cannot understand the delay in receiving a decision.
Desconhecido
Candidate, just reminding you that we have about a minute and a half now for your response.
Desconhecido
I'll try to speak quickly.
Desconhecido
Your closing remarks.
- For
About: restrict STF's role to strictly constitutional matters and implement internal reforms (including a code of ethics)
I have to address both of them here.
Let's go: first thing, the reform we need for the STF — a reform that reduces the superpowers the STF has, that prevents judges who have an office linked to their relatives from doing business using, let's be honest, a lobbying instrument they have at their disposal, and from using this capacity the STF has to go after senators at the moment the senators need to judge the STF.
That is, create a special forum that covers deputies and senators and that does not put the STF above them, holding a knife to their necks to prevent them from being judged.
We cannot have the robed judges in Brazil becoming entities more powerful than the Constitution itself.
To resolve that, you need to put in an honest, sincere President of the Republic who has proposals and who is not, above all, on Daniel Vorcaro's cellphone.
I am the only person who is not on Daniel Vorcaro's cellphone.
I am the person who confronted him and organized four demonstrations against him.
I have proposals to change Brazil; I have proposals to confront the STF.
I confronted Dias Toffoli, who is a minister of the STF, when he tried to end my candidacy, and I doubled down on him.
- For
About: refuse to comply with illegal STF decisions
I did not comply with an illegal decision that came from him, because you need people with blood in their veins, who are not afraid to say what they think and who strongly believe that Brazil can be a much, much better place.
- For
About: make Brazil one of the five largest economic powers within 30 years
I will deliver Brazil as one of the world's five greatest powers, which it is — Brazil was born to be.
- For
About: prioritize program over personality-driven politics
And not for us to keep discussing whether... so-and-so took part or not in some sabotage along with Borcar.
My name is Renan, I'm number 14, and I'm counting on you.
Desconhecido
I need it on time.
Desconhecido
Thank you very much; good evening to you, sir. Many thanks also to my colleagues for yet another interview here with the presidential candidates.
Desconhecido
Good evening, candidate.
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