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CRISE: MINISTRO PETISTA admite que PAÍS vai QUEBRAR
79 statements · 1 politicians · June 19, 2026 · 8 min
Statements by Kim Kataguiri. 79 transcribed statements, with topic and stance on the ones the analysis classified. Topics: Public Budget, Fiscal Reform, Investment Policy, Legislative Process.
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Let's continue talking about the meeting in the Commission on Agriculture and Finance and Taxation, which today receives the Minister of Finance.
We're here with Congressman Kim Kataguiri, from Missão de São Paulo; he was there participating and came by briefly to talk with us.
Congressman, what assessment do you make of the minister's visit here today, sir?
Good morning.
Good morning.
About: explain justifications for the increase in mandatory expenditures
Well, first, I think the minister needs to explain how he can have a stance regarding the increase in mandatory expenditures.
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About: increase mandatory expenditures
But at the same time the government's base here in the Chamber of Deputies votes in favor of all these mandatory expenditures.
About: repeal the transition PEC
And the very model that will lead the budget to collapse, which the minister himself said, including recently in an interview with Estadão, was the transition PEC, approved by the government.
About: unlink public expenditures from revenue
Today we have a fiscal model that makes no sense at all, because the more we collect, the more we are obliged to spend, because our expenditures are tied to net current revenue and tax revenue.
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About: unlink parliamentary amendments from tax revenue
So we are crushing our budget.
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About: unlink parliamentary amendments from tax revenue
And soon there will be no need for a president of the republic, because 100% of the budget's execution is already defined by law.
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About: unlink parliamentary amendments from tax revenue
Today the president of the republic only decides over 8% of the budget.
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About: unlink parliamentary amendments from tax revenue
So for every 100 reais we pay in taxes, the president only decides where 8% goes.
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About: unlink parliamentary amendments from tax revenue
And soon he won't decide anything.
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About: unlink parliamentary amendments from tax revenue
In the next legislature he won't decide anything.
And the minister made this diagnosis that I've been warning about for two years, but at the same time the government promotes agendas that increase these mandatory expenditures.
About: explain justifications for the increase in mandatory expenditures
And my question to the minister, and I await his response, is: if his position is indeed to state that we will arrive at a scenario of fiscal collapse, why does the government's base continue to increase mandatory expenditures?
Expenditures, including for future generations.
I don't even have a child, but my grandson is already in debt to the level of Brazil's public debt.
About: prioritize public investments based on science, data, and technical expertise
So this concern, especially for future generations, which seems absent on the part of the government... Because it's necessary to make a distinction between expenditure and investment.
An expenditure is that which serves the current generation, day-to-day expenses that do not yield returns in the future.
About: prioritize public investments based on science, data, and technical expertise
Investment is when you invest in infrastructure, it's when you invest in science and technology.
It's that which will give returns in the future.
It's what we pay for with today's money, but will benefit not only people alive today, but also future generations.
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About: prioritize public investments based on science, data, and technical expertise
And we have not been making any investments.
Our investment has been minimal.
About: prioritize public investments based on science, data, and technical expertise
And the small amount of investment we make is poorly allocated.
So I think the minister is adopting a discourse very different from Minister Haddad, the previous minister.
and which is incompatible with the government's practice here inside the National Congress.
About: government assume responsibility for bombshell measures approved in the National Congress
Just to finish, the government tends to put much of the responsibility for what it calls 'pauta-bomba'—which, in fact, are budget bombs—on the shoulders of Congress.
It says, 'No, it was Congress that approved it.'
But the one who has a majority in Congress is the government.
I'm in opposition; I lose every day on the Chamber floor because it's the government that has the majority.
So this responsibility of that ethereal entity called Congress does not exist.
Congress is composed, for the most part, of parliamentarians from the government's base.
And they approve those 'pauta-bomba' measures.
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About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
If you analyze the last seven measures that the government called 'pauta-bomba', there was a single deputy who voted against all of them.
Me.
All the deputies from the government's base voted in favor and a good part of the opposition parliamentarians did as well.
So it needs to be adjusted.
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