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KIM REVOLTA MINISTRO PETISTA DO GOVERNO LULA
127 statements · 1 politicians · June 17, 2026 · 13 min
Statements by Kim Kataguiri. 127 transcribed statements, with topic and stance on the ones the analysis classified. Topics: Fiscal Reform, Legislative Process, Public Budget, Fiscal Transparency.
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About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
The new Minister of Finance dodged the question when I confronted him about the rise in mandatory spending, which was in fact the government itself that increased those expenditures.
Desconhecido
He's screwed!
About: government assume responsibility for bombshell measures approved in the National Congress
And now, in several interviews he's giving to signal to the financial market, he complains and says that it's Congress that is approving bombshell measures.
and I questioned him.
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About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
But the government's base votes unanimously in favor of these bombshell measures; in fact, the majority of Bolsonaro-aligned deputies also vote for these measures.
The only one!
About: vote against bills that increase mandatory expenditures
The only one who didn't vote for any of them was me — the only one, truly the only one; it's not that I'm part of a minority.
About: vote against bills that increase mandatory expenditures
The only one who voted against all the bombshell measures approved by the National Congress was me, and I told the minister that.
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About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
Minister, I read an interview in Estadão with a very wise person, and that person said the following, 'if mandatory spending continues compressing the limit, there comes a point when you zero out discretionary spending.'
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About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
Then you don't need a government.
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About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
The year starts, it's on autopilot: pay wage floors, pay pensions, social programs, INSS, civil servant salaries — and that's it.
There's nothing more to be done.
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
The same person said, if we don't moderate the pressure from mandatory expenditures, we will make the country unviable.
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
And I agreed with every word, 100% of what that person said.
I thought, that person should call the Minister of Finance.
The only person who said that was, Your Excellency, the Minister of Finance.
And why do I say that?
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
For two years I've been warning about this issue of mandatory expenditures bulldozing the budget; we no longer have discretionary spending.
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
But the one who promoted this advance of mandatory expenditures was the Lula government, through the transition PEC.
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About: avoid revenue earmarks that increase mandatory expenditures
Our spending is tied; increases in revenue force us to spend more because of earmarks to tax revenue and to net current revenue.
which returned with the transition PEC.
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
So the trampling by mandatory expenditures came from measures sent by the Lula government.
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About: coordinate approval of PECs that increase mandatory expenditures
Then you might tell me, 'No, the transition PEC was approved in the previous government, but with a majority built by the Lula government.'
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About: draft PECs aimed at the next administration
The transition PEC was made for whoever was going to take office.
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About: coordinate approval of PECs that increase mandatory expenditures
And I was here, and those who orchestrated its approval were the Lula government, the PT.
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About: finance fiscal space by increasing debt
So that there could be fiscal space in the next year, not based on revenue increases nor on spending cuts, but on the growth of debt.
And there is another fundamental problem.
About: avoid budget maneuvers that exclude expenditures from the primary balance
Of the R$200 billion in stimuli that have been granted by the government since last year, this is an estimate by Mansueto and Samuel Pessoa, whom I imagine Your Excellency respects, 94% fall outside the primary result because of budgetary maneuvers, including one of them... already pointed out by the Federal Court of Accounts, the existence of a parallel budget, because the government sends it to a private fund; this is one of the maneuvers, not all of them.
About: end implementation of public policies by private funds outside the General Budget of the Union
They send it to a private fund, execute public policy spending through that private fund, and this occurs in the budget that is outside the General Budget of the Union, which is not under our control in parliament, and which takes place in a very non-transparent manner.
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About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
Your Excellency complained in several interviews that I watched and read in recent weeks about the so-called bombshell measures approved by the National Congress.
About: vote against bills that increase mandatory expenditures
I was here for the vote on each one of them and I voted against each of them.
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About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
The entirety of the Lula government's base voted in favor of them, Minister.
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About: approve bombshell measures that increase public spending
Seven — there were seven special retirements, salary floors, both in committees and in the plenary of the Chamber.
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About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
The Lula government base voted unanimously.
The PDT voted unanimously; the PT voted unanimously.
The PSB voted unanimously; the PSOL voted unanimously.
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About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
All those bombshell measures that the Ministry of Finance, that the Lula government, place under the responsibility of the National Congress received unanimous votes from the government.
About: government assume responsibility for bombshell measures approved in the National Congress
And I know there is a strategy on the part of the government to try to say, 'No, it was Congress that did it.'
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About: act as parliamentary opposition
I am from the opposition, Minister.
I'm used to losing every week in this House.
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