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Painel Haddad (21/10/2019) - Lilia Schwarcz
307 statements · 1 politicians · October 21, 2019 · 30 min
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My interviewee today is a specialist in a theme recurring in Brazilian history since the 16th century: authoritarianism.
She is an anthropologist, historian and professor at the Faculty of Philosophy, Human Sciences and Letters of the University of São Paulo and at Princeton University.
Good evening, my friend Lília Schwartz.
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Good evening.
How are you?
All good.
Well, I'll start by first thanking you for the gift, the book on Brazilian authoritarianism.
Lília Schwartz, newly released, about three months ago.
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Three months.
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Three and a half months.
And already with more than 30,000 copies.
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You can see this topic is hot, right?
That is, Brazilians are very interested in discussing Brazil, the history of Brazil.
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They want to understand, right?
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To understand its roots, its problems.
And here your book, which I read with great interest.
Because I am studying Brazil as well, I think every Brazilian is more interested than ever in the history of this country, so we can rethink our future, our current condition.
It has eight chapters, each one devoted to a structural problem of Brazil.
The first chapter is about slavery and racism, the second about strongman rule.
Third, about patrimonialism.
Fourth, about corruption.
Fifth, about social inequality.
Sixth, about violence.
Seventh, about race and gender.
Eighth, about intolerance.
It's a kind of eight plagues of Brazil.
We've outdone Egypt.
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But plagues that can be dealt with, because they are historical plagues, not biological ones.
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So I would like to start...
Before talking about contemporary Brazil, about the perspectives you see for our future, you are a historian and anthropologist, I would like you,
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quick strokes, address these topics, especially those that are not much covered by the press, but that are the subject of fairly in-depth historiographical studies, as you yourself report.
But I'd start—well, slavery is a classic theme; then you talk about strongman rule.
Why did you highlight strongman rule as a structural problem in Brazilian history?
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Because Brazil was a country created from the colonial logic.
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It was also a country created from a specific metropolis, Portugal, which was a small country with a small population.
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And this colonial logic is part of a perverse
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of our history and of our structure, as you yourself refer to.
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Brazil, as we all know, was built on the basis of the distribution of large estates, properties in which, if one looks at the maps of the 16th and 17th centuries, we knew where the coast was, nobody knew what lay inland; they were very funny maps, the kind that said 'unknown lands.'
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It's almost Kafkaesque, that is... unknown lands, but they're already on the map.
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