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Painel Haddad - Fernando Haddad entrevista Guilherme Boulos
292 statements · 2 politicians · July 22, 2019 · 30 min
Statements by Guilherme Boulos, Fernando Haddad. 292 transcribed statements, with topic and stance on the ones the analysis classified.
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Hello, internet user.
My guest today is a professor, philosopher, director-general of the Instituto Democratize, national coordinator of the MTST, member of the Povo Sem Medo front and a 2018 candidate for the Presidency of the Republic.
Good evening, Boulos.
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Good evening, Haddad.
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All right?
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How are you?
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It's a pleasure to be here with you.
Very good.
Let me start with a biographical detail so I can understand.
How do you situate yourself?
You graduated from the University of São Paulo, if I'm not mistaken, in philosophy, and you are coordinator of an important movement, of an important social movement connected to housing.
How did that connection come about?
How did you move into it, or not, since you remain a professor, but how did you open your eyes to Brazil's social reality and become interested enough to lead?
The movement in that expression.
Look, Dade, first, from a very young age I began to take an interest in social struggle.
In the spectrum, in the student union, in secondary school.
And I kind of opened my eyes to Brazil's social reality, because it's a matter of having eyes to see.
Inequality in Brazil is so blatant, it's so apparent on every corner, at every step we take, that... I think the question, sometimes, that we don't ask ourselves is how people aren't outraged.
And sometimes, when someone is outraged and talks about this as a life's purpose, that's a separate case.
That may already be somewhat a symptom of an ethical crisis, of a void our society is experiencing.
To see so many people, a child at a traffic light, to see someone thrown out on the street without a home — this is normalized.
There were many.
Moments, various situations I witnessed; I came from a middle-class family, my parents are doctors, in which I began to say, well, something has to be done about this, it's not right, it's too brutal.
And how did that step happen?
The first step I found: I was in school, I decided to study at a public school, high school, I said, no, I'm going to study at a public school.
I went to study at a public school, I got involved in the school's student union, I started to act in the student movement, I joined the communist youth at that time and came into contact with other movements.
One thing that bothered me a lot, and still bothers me somewhat in part of the left, is a huge tendency to talk about the people's reality, to speak in the name of the people, but often not to live it and not to be there.
to verify that reality.
And I went first; the Movimento Sem Terra at that time was in a very strong ascent, doing the national march.
That was 1997, 1998.
And I went, organized donations in schools for the Movimento Sem Terra and so on.
And a little after that, the MTST entered the city of São Paulo, in the São Paulo metropolitan region.
That was in 2001.
Then I went to an occupation.
In Guarulhos I saw the potential of it, the authenticity.
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Do you remember any leader from that time who caught your attention?
There were, there were many leaders who came.
Jota, a friend of mine, was a leader, one of the founders of the MTST; Zezito; there were several leaders...
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Here in São Paulo.
All from here in São Paulo, who were on the front line of that struggle at the time.
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