Tarcisio: And there are guys who owe more than 60 billion in taxes.
Tarcisio: Here in São Paulo I have a company that owes 10 billion.
And then they open a CNPJ, close the CNPJ, open a company, close another, you search the registration, it already has another registration, it opens in someone else's name — you have to disregard the legal personality, you have to apply joint tax liability at the gas stations to prevent that guy from buying fuel.
Tarcisio: from those who are evading, because payments were not collected due to the scheme, which is an important matter.
Tarcisio: So how is it that the guy owes 10 billion in taxes to you and is operating?