Romeu Zema: So there, in Minas, and I think in much of Brazil, it works like that.
Romeu Zema: But we held a selection process and, for the first time in history, put a woman in charge of the Secretariat of the Environment who is a career official there; we put a former director, a professor, in charge of the Secretariat of Education.
And when you have good people, and we carried out a selection process — including headhunters, which we used when I won the 2018 election — you start to have an edge.
Romeu Zema: The public sector doesn't like competent people.
Romeu Zema: It prefers people who go there to engage in politicking.