Romeu Zema: Let's take the case of Minas Gerais.
Romeu Zema: Never before had a career official from the Secretariat of the Environment or the Secretariat of Education served as Secretary of the Environment or Secretary of Education.
It's the same as in a company, Bruno, saying, 'look, you here can grow, but you'll never be the company's president.'
Romeu Zema: Do you understand?
Romeu Zema: Do you agree that this is a cold shower to the morale, to the enthusiasm of someone who wants to grow?