Romeu Zema: Remember that in the public sector you have many civil servants who passed public competitive exams, who are capable, but usually these people are relegated to a secondary role by politicking.
Romeu Zema: Let's take the case of Minas Gerais.
Never before had a career official from the Secretariat of the Environment or the Secretariat of Education served as Secretary of the Environment or Secretary of Education.
Romeu Zema: It's the same as in a company, Bruno, saying, 'look, you here can grow, but you'll never be the company's president.'
Romeu Zema: Do you understand?