Romeu Zema: But it helps a lot, because I've always noticed, Bruno and Malu, that you need, above all, to put together a good team.
Romeu Zema: And we have excellent people in the public sector.
Remember that in the public sector you have many civil servants who passed public competitive exams, who are capable, but usually these people are relegated to a secondary role by politicking.
Romeu Zema: Let's take the case of Minas Gerais.
Romeu Zema: Never before had a career official from the Secretariat of the Environment or the Secretariat of Education served as Secretary of the Environment or Secretary of Education.