Romeu Zema: Look at that, huh?
Romeu Zema: The private ones didn't get involved with criminals, no.
But a bank that has political influence got involved with criminals.
Romeu Zema: And we have here, to the north of Brazil, a country from which more than 10 million people have already emigrated, where practically everything was nationalized.
Romeu Zema: Maybe what you want is for Brazil to follow the path of Venezuela, which is a country today devastated, a country much, much poorer than it was 30, 40, 50 years ago.