Desconhecido: So where will you draw that line so that the State... does not see the citizen as already convicted?
Renan Santos: Look, the first thing to clarify.
What I like about El Salvador is precisely the willingness that Bukele had to treat what is a war as a war.
Renan Santos: Wars are wars, and he confronted it and turned his country, which was a narco-state...
Renan Santos: into a state that today is proud of itself for having solved that problem.