Sérgio Sacani: When we talk about an extremely heavy industry like this, we Brazilians here, who lived through all the petrolão and such, we know in whose hands this will fall. We know in whose hands it will fall. Unfortunately, there are four or five companies that can do this. Serjão,
Renan Santos: to be honest...
There was now, some years ago, a supposed privatization of Eletrobras and some marks that regulated the thermal power sector.
Renan Santos: You'll see who owns the thermal plants. To be honest, there's a relative of Kassab who owns a thermal plant down in the southern region.
Renan Santos: There are thermal plants in Maranhão too, also owned by relatives of politicians. The Centrão ended up owning the generation of a large part of the power, especially with thermal power plants in Brazil.