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allTV - Painel Haddad (05/08/2019) - Fernando Haddad entrevista Renato Sérgio de Lima
287 statements · 1 politicians · August 5, 2019 · 30 min
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Renato Sérgio de Lima is a professor in the Department of Public Management at FGV, holds a degree in Social Sciences, a master's and doctorate in Sociology from the Universidade de São Paulo, a postdoctoral fellowship at the Institute of Economics at Unicamp, was a visiting scholar at the Centre for Latin American Studies at the University of Cambridge in England, and is the author of numerous projects on violence, public security, transparency and public statistics.
Good evening, Renato.
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Good evening, Fernando.
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How are you?
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I'm fine.
I would like you to open this program by giving an overview of what you learned while producing the Atlas and what you can say about the picture, the panorama of violence in our country.
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Unfortunately, the picture is extremely worrying and has been a string of bad news over the 13 years of existence of the Fórum Brasileiro de Segurança Pública, which is a network of research and information and a forum for debate on the area, made up of police officers and non-police.
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And for at least a few years now we have produced two major publications.
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One is the Anuário Brasileiro de Segurança Pública with police records.
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Every year we publish the data from the police incident reports, the police records.
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And the other uses data from the health system, which are published in the Atlas da Violência, in partnership with IPEA.
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And looking at the data, each has its particularities, but looking at the health data, the news is extremely worrying.
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It always has a two-year lag; it is important to stress that.
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And why is that time necessary?
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Because we take all the microdata — as we generally, technically refer to it — which for each death contains information.
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Whether the person was young, what the age was, what the race/color was, the location and all of that.
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And we reached 65,602 victims in 2017.
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A rate of almost 32 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants.
And correct me if I'm wrong, it's more than the deaths of Americans in the entire Vietnam War.
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Exactly.
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We have... every year we have an enormous number of homicides here that often no longer shock us.
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These homicides do not provoke the proper indignation in us to make us change this scenario.
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And why does this happen?
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If we look, we will realize that those dying are the Brazilian population itself — that is, it is not a war, a conflict against the country.
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They are predominantly young, predominantly black, which is the sum of 'pretos' and 'pardos' using the IBGE methodology.
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And almost always residents of the peripheries of large urban centers.
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We have an extremely serious problem of violence, which unfortunately does not end only with the deaths — the Atlas addresses them — but we have, for example, almost 60,000 rapes every year.
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We could talk here about an endless array of criminal offenses that occur every day in the country, and we don't really know how to deal with them because of a number of issues.
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Historical, political, and, above all, institutional.
Renato, there is a thesis, a thesis much discussed, especially by lay audiences, that violence is also a consequence of social inequality.
That is said, but we had a period of falling social inequality in our country.
And at least 10 to 12 years of significant reduction in inequality and opening of opportunities, including for that youth who began attending universities, technical schools, things that were not available in the previous century.
What do you attribute the increase in violence to?
Is it, as they say, a question specifically related to drug wars, or to other factors?
How would you describe the situation?
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We can divide this volume — almost the two-year total of deaths — into three major blocks.
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The first, which are interpersonal conflicts and which also have to do with the dynamics of domestic violence, gender-based violence, femicides, fights in bars, and so on.
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A set of deaths that occur — I don't much like the expression, but it has been adopted — described as for 'banal' reasons, because no one kills another over something trivial; there is some conflict that leads to that situation.
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And these crimes have been growing significantly in the country, at least over the last 10 years — that is, interpersonal conflicts.
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There is another dimension, which is the dimension of public responses to crime and violence.
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