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Painel Haddad (28/10/2019) - Carmen Silva e Preta Ferreira
474 statements · 1 politicians · October 29, 2019 · 32 min
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The city of São Paulo would need 358,000 new housing units to eliminate its housing deficit.
As for that, in the city center it is estimated that there are thousands of abandoned buildings and warehouses.
On June 24, 2019, four housing activists were arrested, implicated in a case that links social movements to organized crime.
Among the victims of this procedure were the leader of the Homeless movement downtown, Carmen Silva, and the cultural producer Preta Ferreira.
I'm going to speak with them today.
Good evening, Carmen.
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Good evening.
Good evening, Preta.
Good evening.
It's a pleasure to have you here.
I wanted you to explain a bit to people how the grassroots movement works.
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Well, Haddad, in the 1990s, São Paulo's financial center moved to Paulista Avenue.
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And when the financial center moves, obviously the city is left abandoned.
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The old one, right?
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The old downtown is left abandoned.
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And when I started participating in the housing movement... We have a regulatory framework.
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It was at the height of the ICMIL march to also discuss the ICMS issue, the 10% of the ICMS, which is the goods tax that every State has.
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And those 10% were approved to be allocated to housing.
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There's also the beginning of discussions about the City Statute and the ECA, which is the Child Statute... We have a framework, the conferences.
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In 2000, municipal councils began, housing councils, both state and... So, there is a regulatory framework.
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The organized housing movement doesn't come from someone thinking 'I'll be a leader, I'll found a movement,' no.
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And there is also a discussion about the city, about urbanism.
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So, in the 1990s, São Paulo's city center, the Old Center, was totally abandoned.
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And we began to study.
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About three million people passed over the Chasque viaduct in a hurry; it was around 5:30 p.m., rushing to catch buses or trains to go back to the East Zone, the South Zone, to the outskirts.
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Lower-income workers have to live in outlying neighborhoods.
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If we already have a city fully built, urbanized, with public facilities, it's not simply a matter of taking a mass of people and putting them in a neighborhood to live if there are no buses, if there aren't... a university, school, health clinic, shops.
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There's no city, really.
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So we started explaining why.
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So, let's do it, let's occupy those buildings.
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And when we talk about occupying, we do not occupy any building that still had an active social function.
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Because an owner... whether it may be the public authority or a private individual, he has obligations.
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Just as he has the right to property, he also has duties regarding the property.
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He has the right to enjoy it, meaning he can rent it out, give it away, sell it, lend it, do what he wants.
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But he has duties, like paying the IPTU, maintaining it.
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So, when we occupy, we occupy buildings with that characteristic — owing taxes.
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Abandoned, without social function.
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And what we do is tell the family, above all, that even though we are occupying, we occupy for two reasons.
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First, as a denunciation, because of the effective lack of a real housing program and out of necessity.
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So, when we occupy, we are certain that we can be subject to repossession at any moment at any cost, and with our own management we work to have that building legalized through negotiations, and the first negotiation begins with the judge.
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