Tarcisio: How are we going to tackle issues like that of the debtor, what's more, which favor this logic of not paying taxes, like... business plan.
Tarcisio: Business plan.
How are we going to attack that?
Tarcisio: How are we going to toughen certain penalties?
Tarcisio: How will we, in fact, make crime not pay and increase the cost of crime?
