Tabata Amaral: We put together a legal team, we put together a team of volunteers, but there is a high personal cost.
Tabata Amaral: But this is really crazy, because the more people leave, the worse the quality gets, the more violent it becomes.
So all this thing I talk about — let's bring the good ones — I... I see someone who's talented at church, I ask, have you ever thought about joining the party?
Tabata Amaral: It's almost like being a Jehovah's Witness for good politics.
Tabata Amaral: Do you see someone who's a good businessman?