Sérgio Moro: When I assumed the Ministry of Justice in 2019, one of our first acts was to transfer the PCC leadership out of São Paulo, because they were there in state prisons, waiting for an opportunity to escape and still controlling the criminal underworld.
Sérgio Moro: They were all transferred - more than two dozen, in a true wartime operation - to federal prisons, and, when they set foot in the federal prisons, we also changed the visitation regime to prevent them from having contact with the outside world that was not monitored by federal penitentiary police officers.
That is: contact only in a visiting booth, with glass separating them, speaking by telephone and with the conversation being controlled by the federal penitentiary officer.
Sérgio Moro: Harsh regime? Yes, but let us remember that one of those crime bosses, held in a federal penitentiary, managed, had the ability...
Sérgio Moro: Before we imposed this more drastic regime, he had the capacity to order the murder of three federal penitentiary officers or of people connected to the federal penitentiaries, as a kind of retaliation for what he had been enduring.