Samara Martins: Because, moreover, if Brazil were to solve the public security problem with prisons, we would already be the third safest country in the world, because we already are the third-largest
Samara Martins: prison population in the world.
So we need to solve social issues, including ensuring that people have housing, that people have enough to eat, that people have access to these things.
Samara Martins: It's not to say that there shouldn't be punishment for those who commit crimes.
Samara Martins: There needs to be.