Samara Martins: an activist from Unidade Popular, because we will defend the same program.
Samara Martins: So our logic is not personalist, our logic is programmatic.
So our discussion with anyone, whether quilombola leaders or parliamentary leaders, is about a program.
Samara Martins: And if... Lula debates in those terms, of course we're speaking hypothetically, if he debates in those terms, the problem is his and not ours.
Samara Martins: Because this is the wrong logic of politics we have in our country, which is based on people—that it's about whether I'm more important or more famous than someone else, that I should receive more or less than someone else.