Samara Martins: That is to say... We defend this program.
Samara Martins: And it's on this program that we wanted to discuss with Lula, because it's not about people, it's not about positions, it's about the program.
And we have to tell our people that.
Samara Martins: Because we've created this idea that political negotiation is done with those parliamentary leaders.
Samara Martins: It's in those leadership summits.