Samara Martins: And then we'll win over Lula's base.
Samara Martins: To say, look, we have this program.
And we don't negotiate with Lula, because Lula is the person.
Samara Martins: It's not exactly the people who vote for Lula.
Samara Martins: Because not everyone who votes for Lula is from the PT (Workers' Party).