Ronaldo Caiado: how you really have a separation between the people who are in command of the faction and those who were pressured and were co-opted by them.
Ronaldo Caiado: Those who are in command of the factions — as I say, Benedito — these ones only speak with God.
So he doesn't have conjugal visits and visits with a lawyer are recorded.
Ronaldo Caiado: So he doesn't give orders to kill anyone outside nor to threaten the penal officers.
Ronaldo Caiado: Others serve their sentence and then you'll see, it's worth visiting the model we installed there: you think you're going to enter a factory, the whole garden is neat, the trees well pruned, everything beautiful, you don't see that prison stench, and you'll see huge facilities there.