Ronaldo Caiado: So, I mean, he's a folkloric figure — like, 'I'll give you a cold beer, I'll guarantee a picanha; now look, I'll guarantee free bus passes, I'll free us up.'
Ronaldo Caiado: My reasoning is different, hey Lula.
My thinking is the professionalization of the workforce, increasingly so.
Ronaldo Caiado: It's about us being where the world already is.
Ronaldo Caiado: It's time to work, hey Lula.