Romeu Zema: Do you agree that that's a cold shower for the spirit, for the enthusiasm of someone who wants to grow?
Romeu Zema: So, there in Minas, and I think in a large part of Brazil, it works like that.
But we carried out a selection process and for the first time in history we put a woman in charge of the Secretariat of the Environment who is a career official there.
Romeu Zema: We placed a former director, a professor, in charge of the Secretariat of Education.
Romeu Zema: And when you have good people, and we held a selection process — headhunters even, which we used when I won the election in 2018 — you already begin to have an edge.