Romeu Zema: And this happens with Petrobras.
Romeu Zema: This still happens with CEMIG; it happens in all state-owned companies in Brazil.
I say that when you have private management, you have that agility that a state company cannot have, also due to compliance and control issues.
Romeu Zema: And we Brazilians are undergoing a transition that hasn't been going on for that long.
Romeu Zema: The mobile phone operators.