Desconhecido: We had Lava Jato ministers, I don't know where they are today, under the bed.
This position from Gilmar is very strange, saying that a Lava Jato judge has to stay under the bed.
Romeu Zema: They were, as we know, investigating criminals.
Romeu Zema: Now the one who released those criminals, the one who had them freed, was Gilmar.