Renan Santos: You can carry out interceptions of electronic communications, breaches of banking secrecy.
Renan Santos: You can see their conversations, how the hierarchy is established.
And based on that, look, this person belongs to a faction, therefore their rights will be curtailed, therefore the State has to go after them in a very emphatic way.
Renan Santos: And it's not populism to say that a bloodbath needs to be carried out.
Renan Santos: Even though, of course, it's a... use, how can I put it, a shrewd use of the word.