Renan Santos: What are you afraid of explaining?
Renan Santos: That Janja, your wife, has a strange scheme with an organization that received a no‑bid contract there at COP30?
Probably a corruption scandal that I'll go after in my government.
Renan Santos: What are you afraid of, Lula?
Renan Santos: That I said that when I win the presidency I'll open the corporate card accounts to find out everything Brazil spent on you and Janja on those trips where you represent Brazil's interests?