Mateus Simões: I don't think you would ever find that a disaster like the natural disaster in Rio Grande do Sul... has any positive aspect just because the payment of debt was suspended.
Mateus Simões: It's the same in Minas.
Pimentel doesn't have anything good to his name, even though he managed to get the debt suspended.
Mateus Simões: He is our own environmental disaster, caused by someone who was so irrationally afraid of the police during his time in office that he didn't pay attention to what was happening.
Mateus Simões: I always draw attention to that.