Desconhecido: How much of a relevant role did the STF have in the financial health you were able to achieve during your government and in this election?
Mateus Simões: None at all.
I pay my debt and I don't depend on the STF for that.
Mateus Simões: Now, I will — sorry to disagree a bit with you — Minister Gilmar said something much worse than that.
Mateus Simões: He said that Zema couldn't criticize the Supreme because next time he could deny an injunction if the State wasn't aligned with him, since the State needed him in the past.