Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: You don't do education with rhetoric, you don't do health with rhetoric.
Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: You don't do development with cuts; you do it with money.
And there's no problem in taking on debt if you are going to build a new asset.
Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: One thing, Vilela, is you — famous as you are — going and thinking you'll be the owner of a power like... let's take Rede Globo television and you go into debt.
Desconhecido: Thinking at that scale.