Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: And everyone has the right to prove they are innocent.
Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: If that happens, they will be forgiven.
But if someone commits wrongdoing, and that wrongdoing caused harm to the public coffers, those people will have to pay.
Desconhecido: For now, it seems the government's apparatus worked.
Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: Look, I think there are many conjectures.