Rogério Vilela: I remember that Collor appeared out of nowhere; he was the 'marajás' hunter, he came meteoric, nobody knew him, and suddenly he's out in front.
Rogério Vilela: What happened?
What happened is that he started as a candidate with the support of the media.
Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: He was against Brizola, who was... cursed by the common Brazilian; he was against Lula; he was against Luiz Guimarães.
Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: So it was something new, a novelty that was adopted by the media and by the financial elite of this country.