Kim Kataguiri: If you had asked me six months ago about a presidential candidacy, I would have said we would have a candidacy to stake out a position, to put the party's brand and ideals forward, participate in the debates and help elect a slate of state and federal deputies.
Kim Kataguiri: If you ask me today, we are contesting an election to win.
Renan's growth curve is impressive even to us, the speed at which he has been growing, the fact that he has an engaged, voluntary grassroots movement asking for support for him, things the other candidates don't have. The morale of Flávio Bolsonaro's troops, so to speak, is absolutely low; it's almost an embarrassed vote for Lula; it's another useful vote from the left to defeat the right. So Renan does indeed have this spontaneous effort that I think is somewhat symptomatic of the spirit of the times, and the more experienced analyst, more attentive to what is happening in the world, I think would already see the phenomenon of Renan's rise and his victory in the elections.
Kim Kataguiri: I'm not going to give you a number for the caucus because... You're asking the worst person in the party.
Kim Kataguiri: I got my vote count wrong in 2018, I got my vote count wrong in 2022.