Desconhecido: And what's your reading, your opinion about these tariffs, about the government's reaction?
Desconhecido: How do you see that?
I think Brazil has to increasingly seek commercial partners and that it's a stupid move by the American government to implement these successive tariffs, because that pushes us away from the United States, it reduces the United States' share in the Brazilian economy at a moment when tightening commercial relations with Brazil would also strengthen a geopolitical position for the United States.
Kim Kataguiri: The more they impose tariffs against us, the more they push us toward China, the more they push us toward other trading partners, to Southeast Asia, to the European Union, and so on.
Kim Kataguiri: I think this is a short-term strategy by the American government to try to bring back the industry they lost, mainly to China over recent years, but I don't think, generally speaking, it will be successful.