Kim Kataguiri: No, ours was a judgment on the merits.
Kim Kataguiri: They analyzed the accounts and there was no problem.
The other point... Renan never broke any company; he made a living buying bankrupt companies, carrying out their restructuring and then he made a living from negotiating those assets.
Kim Kataguiri: So much so that when you see allegations that a company has debts of so-and-so amounts, you'll see that the debts were incurred when Renan was 12 years old.
Kim Kataguiri: He didn't found any of those companies, he wasn't responsible for managing any of those companies — that was his job.