Guilherme Boulos: Which is what's happening.
Guilherme Boulos: It's on their heels there, ready to surpass the United States.
And it managed to do this by doing the opposite of what the United States prescribed in the Washington Consensus.
Guilherme Boulos: A lot of State, public banks, state-owned companies, economic planning, steering market forces through state planning and a national and popular project.
Guilherme Boulos: Oh, it worked.