Flavio Bolsonaro: I'd like to understand what goes through the mind of someone who doesn't see the force Lula exerts that results in Brazilian products being tariffed by the United States.
So he can use the false narrative of defending sovereignty.
Flavio Bolsonaro: He couldn't care less about Brazilian sovereignty.
Flavio Bolsonaro: It's because of the Lula effect that today Brazil faces the possibility of being tariffed.