Flavio Bolsonaro: The interest rate in Brazil under Bolsonaro reached below 2% per year, Igor.
Flavio Bolsonaro: Today it's 15% per year.
So people went into debt, they could afford to pay, but then the pandemic hit and all that, and this current government arrived, this total lack of control.
Flavio Bolsonaro: The debts were being adjusted by that very high rate.
Flavio Bolsonaro: So Lula's government... He saddled everyone with debt, man.