Flavio Bolsonaro: I'll give just one example here of what the waste is like.
Flavio Bolsonaro: Lula has 39 ministries.
President Bolsonaro had 23 and even made the Central Bank independent because it was also considered a ministry.
Flavio Bolsonaro: So I'll give you an example here.
Flavio Bolsonaro: I can merge all these ministries here: Ports and Airports, that's one.