Flavio Bolsonaro: Interest rates are sky-high—the Selic rate is 14%.
Flavio Bolsonaro: And it's this rate to which your debt is tied.
Your debt is being driven up by that rate.
Flavio Bolsonaro: In other words, when the government goes into debt, it is also saddling Brazilian families with debt.
Flavio Bolsonaro: So this debt is not yours.