Desconhecido: Much has been said that your candidacy in São Paulo was a sacrifice so that President Lula would have a strong platform here in São Paulo, that you resisted a lot, that what you really wanted was to build the president's government plan for a possible fourth term in the Planalto (Presidential Palace).
Desconhecido: How far does that sacrifice go, the help for Lula in Brazil's large electoral college, which is São Paulo, and the desire and belief that it is actually possible to beat the incumbent candidate who has a government with high approval here in São Paulo?
Look, there are many governors with approval ratings much higher than Tarcísio.
Fernando Haddad: I, frankly, think Tarcísio's government has not undergone a critical evaluation over these four years.
Fernando Haddad: One of the reasons that made me come to São Paulo... was to speak with those at home about the quality of education that fell to tenth place, the SUS waiting list that increased, the sense of insecurity that grew.