Desconhecido: And how to take it — for me that's it — and how to take it out of the hands of those companies that we know, if they're there, they're companies that are already besieged by the parties.
Sérgio Sacani: A good part is really the Centrão, we know that, you understand? You're
saying there will be corruption like there was...
Sérgio Sacani: Man,
Desconhecido: imagine, they're going to be projects, man, where you wouldn't even know how to write down the number for how much money it'll be. Sergio, he lived through the Petrolão scandal. No, I was inside Petrobras. The Petrolão scandal.