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Minas Gerais, Romeu Zema, del Novo.",3.16,12,false,{"idx":14,"utterance_id":15,"speaker_name":8,"text":16,"start_s":17,"end_s":18,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},1,"19882","Qué placer tenerlo con nosotros, gobernador.",3.52,5.34,5,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":22,"speaker_name":8,"text":23,"start_s":24,"end_s":25,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},2,"19883","Gracias por aceptar nuestra invitación.",5.4,7.22,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":28,"speaker_name":8,"text":29,"start_s":30,"end_s":31,"word_count":21,"indexable":12},3,"19884","Buenos días.",7.28,7.7,{"idx":33,"utterance_id":34,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":37,"start_s":38,"end_s":39,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},4,"19885","Romeu Zema","romeu-zema","Buenos días, Amanda.",9.42,10.44,{"idx":19,"utterance_id":41,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":42,"start_s":43,"end_s":44,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},"19886","Buenos días a todos los que están con nosotros.",10.56,12.28,7,{"idx":47,"utterance_id":48,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":49,"start_s":50,"end_s":51,"word_count":47,"indexable":12},6,"19887","Un gran placer estar con ustedes.",12.34,14.1,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":53,"speaker_name":8,"text":54,"start_s":55,"end_s":56,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},"19888","Se está poniendo animada esta disputa, ¿eh, gobernador?",14.38,16.62,{"idx":58,"utterance_id":59,"speaker_name":8,"text":60,"start_s":61,"end_s":62,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},8,"19889","Ya pensaban que estaba cantado, pero se ve que ahí la diferencia entre izquierda y derecha se está estrechando.",16.68,23.6,22,{"idx":65,"utterance_id":66,"speaker_name":8,"text":67,"start_s":68,"end_s":69,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},9,"19890","Voy a tratar eso con usted enseguida.",23.64,25.42,{"idx":71,"utterance_id":72,"speaker_name":8,"text":73,"start_s":74,"end_s":75,"word_count":76,"indexable":12},10,"19891","Pero antes, me gustaría retomar el tema más candente de la semana, que es ese intento de votar el PL antifacción, relatado por Guilherme de Ritchie, de autoría del gobierno, relatado por Guilherme de Ritchie, y que sufrió un rebranding, así, fue renombrado, se convirtió en un marco legal de lucha contra el crimen organizado.",26.1,45.06,51,{"idx":78,"utterance_id":79,"speaker_name":8,"text":80,"start_s":81,"end_s":82,"word_count":83,"indexable":12},11,"19892","Y ayer ustedes, gobernadores de la derecha, se reunieron en el llamado Consorcio de la Paz, estuvieron con el presidente de la Cámara de Diputados, Hugo Mota, y pidieron el aplazamiento de ese proyecto.",45.16,55.22,27,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":85,"speaker_name":8,"text":86,"start_s":87,"end_s":88,"word_count":89,"indexable":12},"19893","Quiero saber por qué, si es un proyecto relatado por alguien de la confianza de ustedes, de estricta confianza, que es alguien del campo conservador como Guilherme Derrit, pero que no obtuvo el apoyo de los gobernadores de la derecha.",55.62,67.28,38,{"idx":91,"utterance_id":92,"speaker_name":8,"text":93,"start_s":94,"end_s":95,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},13,"19894","¿Por qué, gobernador?",67.34,68.34,{"idx":97,"utterance_id":98,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":99,"start_s":100,"end_s":101,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},14,"19895","Bueno, Amanda, es preciso dejarlo bien claro.",71.36,73.72,{"idx":103,"utterance_id":104,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":105,"start_s":106,"end_s":107,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},15,"19896","Nosotros, gobernadores de la derecha, somos totalmente favorables a ese proyecto de Derrit.",74.12,81.54,{"idx":109,"utterance_id":110,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":111,"start_s":112,"end_s":113,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},16,"19897","Un proyecto que va a aumentar mucho las penas de los criminales.",82.32,88.06,{"idx":115,"utterance_id":116,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":117,"start_s":118,"end_s":119,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},17,"19898","Eso es excelente, porque hoy el costo de ser criminal en Brasil, Amanda, es muy pequeño.",88.16,95.38,{"idx":121,"utterance_id":122,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":123,"start_s":124,"end_s":125,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},18,"19899","Y este proyecto aumenta mucho las penas.",96,99.1,{"idx":127,"utterance_id":128,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":129,"start_s":130,"end_s":131,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},19,"19900","Estuve con Derrite ayer y él dijo que en algunos casos vamos a tener 60 años de pena.",99.76,107.24,{"idx":133,"utterance_id":134,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":135,"start_s":136,"end_s":137,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},20,"19901","Eso para Brasil es algo inédito.",107.84,110.52,{"idx":139,"utterance_id":140,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":141,"start_s":142,"end_s":143,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},21,"19902","Así que el costo del crimen va a aumentar.",111,113.32,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":145,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":146,"start_s":147,"end_s":148,"word_count":149,"indexable":12},"19903","Ahora tenemos muchos parlamentarios de derecha, gobernadores y yo también, que queríamos un proyecto más amplio, que se hiciera una revisión de la mayoría de edad penal.",114.02,127.66,25,{"idx":151,"utterance_id":152,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":153,"start_s":154,"end_s":155,"word_count":133,"indexable":12},23,"19904","Me parece un absurdo que un tipo de 17 años mate y siga ahí como si no hubiera pasado nada, sin pena.",128.28,138.46,{"idx":157,"utterance_id":158,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":159,"start_s":160,"end_s":161,"word_count":139,"indexable":12},24,"19905","También tenemos que revisar la tipificación de esas facciones del crimen organizado como organizaciones terroristas y una serie de otros puntos.",139.08,150.72,{"idx":149,"utterance_id":163,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":164,"start_s":165,"end_s":166,"word_count":167,"indexable":12},"19906","Pero lo que se decidió fue: vamos a votar lo que ya está listo, lo que ya se ha discutido, en cierta medida debatido, y en una segunda etapa veremos esos otros cambios.",151.58,167.84,30,{"idx":169,"utterance_id":170,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":171,"start_s":172,"end_s":173,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},26,"19907","Entonces, vamos a tener, con toda seguridad, un avance muy grande en la seguridad pública en Brasil en los próximos meses.",168.46,178.14,{"idx":83,"utterance_id":175,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":176,"start_s":177,"end_s":178,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},"19908","No solo este proyecto de ley, sino que otros serán propuestos, analizados y, en mi opinión, aprobados.",178.34,187.9,{"idx":180,"utterance_id":181,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":182,"start_s":183,"end_s":184,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},28,"19909","Porque esto, Amanda, es el gran clamor de la población.",188.7,192.44,{"idx":186,"utterance_id":187,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":188,"start_s":189,"end_s":190,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},29,"19910","principalmente de quienes viven en áreas controladas por el crimen organizado, que hacen de la vida de esas personas un infierno.",193,204.16,{"idx":167,"utterance_id":192,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":193,"start_s":194,"end_s":195,"word_count":167,"indexable":12},"19911","Entonces, espero que sea el primero de muchos pasos que vayamos a dar en la cuestión de la seguridad pública, que es el gran cáncer que Brasil tiene hoy en día.",204.68,215.52,{"idx":197,"utterance_id":198,"speaker_name":8,"text":199,"start_s":200,"end_s":201,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},31,"19912","Gobernador, entonces déjeme ver si entendí.",215.86,217.32,{"idx":203,"utterance_id":204,"speaker_name":8,"text":205,"start_s":206,"end_s":207,"word_count":91,"indexable":12},32,"19913","Hugo Mota trasladó esa votación para la semana que viene, inicialmente para el martes.",217.36,220.98,{"idx":209,"utterance_id":210,"speaker_name":8,"text":211,"start_s":212,"end_s":213,"word_count":89,"indexable":12},33,"19914","Entonces los gobernadores van a apoyar esa cuarta versión en cinco días, divulgada ayer por Guilherme Derrit, y ahí van a proponer ese endurecimiento adicional de las leyes, con revisión de la mayoría de edad penal, equiparación con organizaciones terroristas en otros proyectos de ley.",221.04,237.3,{"idx":215,"utterance_id":216,"speaker_name":8,"text":217,"start_s":218,"end_s":219,"word_count":47,"indexable":12},34,"19915","¿Es así como ustedes lo están imaginando?",237.5,239.08,{"idx":221,"utterance_id":222,"speaker_name":8,"text":223,"start_s":224,"end_s":225,"word_count":97,"indexable":12},35,"19916","¿Van a apoyar esta cuarta versión de Derrit la semana que viene?",239.14,243.06,{"idx":227,"utterance_id":228,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":229,"start_s":230,"end_s":231,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},36,"19917","Existe, Amanda, cabe recordar, una diferencia de opinión entre gobernadores.",245.32,251.04,{"idx":233,"utterance_id":234,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":235,"start_s":236,"end_s":237,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},37,"19918","Tenemos gobernadores que consideran este proyecto excelente, pero que desearían que fuera reforzado, añadido con más medidas.",251.36,262.9,{"idx":89,"utterance_id":239,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":240,"start_s":241,"end_s":242,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},"19919","Opino que debemos votarlo ya inmediatamente, porque representa un gran avance.",263.64,271.38,{"idx":244,"utterance_id":245,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":246,"start_s":247,"end_s":248,"word_count":180,"indexable":12},39,"19920","Y luego que propongamos nuevos proyectos de ley que refuercen esa tendencia de aumentar las penas, reducir esa impunidad que muchos criminales tienen.",271.88,287.24,{"idx":250,"utterance_id":251,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":252,"start_s":253,"end_s":254,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},40,"19921","Pero quiero dejar muy claro, estamos unidos, coincidimos en la importancia de todo esto.",287.74,294.52,{"idx":256,"utterance_id":257,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":258,"start_s":259,"end_s":260,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},41,"19922","Algunos creen que valdría la pena esperar.",294.94,297.96,{"idx":262,"utterance_id":263,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":264,"start_s":265,"end_s":266,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},42,"19923","Yo soy de la opinión de que ya debemos votar.",298.16,300.3,{"idx":268,"utterance_id":269,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":270,"start_s":271,"end_s":272,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},43,"19924","y después fortalecer esas acciones con nuevas medidas.",300.72,305.58,{"idx":274,"utterance_id":275,"speaker_name":8,"text":276,"start_s":277,"end_s":278,"word_count":89,"indexable":12},44,"19925","Gobernador, hasta escuchamos de parlamentarios del PT que esa última versión del derrite, que fue cambiando a lo largo de los últimos días... terminó pareciéndose mucho al proyecto que el gobierno quería inicialmente, el PL Antifacção.",306.08,318.46,{"idx":280,"utterance_id":281,"speaker_name":8,"text":282,"start_s":283,"end_s":284,"word_count":209,"indexable":12},45,"19926","Ese endurecimiento de las penas ya estaba algo en la cuenta del gobierno, pero al menos ellos consideraban los puntos más críticos, que son la equiparación con organizaciones terroristas, el debilitamiento de la Policía Federal.",318.56,330.22,{"idx":286,"utterance_id":287,"speaker_name":8,"text":288,"start_s":289,"end_s":290,"word_count":151,"indexable":12},46,"19927","¿Cree usted que la derecha desperdició una oportunidad de surfear unida en un tema que le es tan caro como la seguridad pública?",330.6,337.48,{"idx":292,"utterance_id":293,"speaker_name":8,"text":294,"start_s":295,"end_s":296,"word_count":115,"indexable":12},47,"19928","Porque incluso lo que los propios gobernadores comentaron ayer es que hubo muy poco tiempo para la discusión.",337.84,343.12,{"idx":298,"utterance_id":299,"speaker_name":8,"text":300,"start_s":301,"end_s":302,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},48,"19929","y hubo asombro.",343.5,344.36,{"idx":304,"utterance_id":305,"speaker_name":8,"text":306,"start_s":307,"end_s":308,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},49,"19930","¿Qué faltó?",344.58,345.24,{"idx":310,"utterance_id":311,"speaker_name":8,"text":312,"start_s":313,"end_s":314,"word_count":133,"indexable":12},50,"19931","¿Fueron errores de legislación, fue inexperiencia al debatir con cada bancada parlamentaria y con los propios gobernadores durante más tiempo?",345.86,353.96,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":316,"speaker_name":8,"text":317,"start_s":318,"end_s":319,"word_count":91,"indexable":12},"19932","¿Qué salió mal en esa estrategia de Derrit, de Mota y de la derecha?",354.2,358.72,{"idx":321,"utterance_id":322,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":323,"start_s":324,"end_s":325,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},52,"19933","Amanda, en mi opinión, no hubo ningún error de conducción.",361.6,366.38,{"idx":327,"utterance_id":328,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":329,"start_s":330,"end_s":331,"word_count":47,"indexable":12},53,"19934","Este proyecto ya estaba en la Cámara.",367.22,370.38,{"idx":333,"utterance_id":334,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":335,"start_s":336,"end_s":337,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},54,"19935","incluso antes de que la operación de Río de Janeiro se desencadenara el 28 de octubre.",371,377.88,{"idx":339,"utterance_id":340,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":341,"start_s":342,"end_s":343,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},55,"19936","Y lo que vimos fue que este tema salió a la luz, causó una gran conmoción.",378.62,384.5,{"idx":345,"utterance_id":346,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":347,"start_s":348,"end_s":349,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},56,"19937","Hoy el brasileño está mucho mejor informado sobre seguridad pública, sabe que sí hay solución.",385.24,394.1,{"idx":351,"utterance_id":352,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":353,"start_s":354,"end_s":355,"word_count":351,"indexable":12},57,"19938","Y vi eso en El Salvador, vale la pena señalar, Amanda, estuve allí hace seis meses, y El Salvador es un caso que, hasta en mi opinión, me sorprende que ningún medio de comunicación haya ido a ver y mostrar al brasileño un país que redujo la tasa de homicidios en un 99% en un plazo de seis meses.",394.72,419.58,{"idx":357,"utterance_id":358,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":359,"start_s":360,"end_s":361,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},58,"19939","Más bien, en tres años.",420.76,421.86,{"idx":363,"utterance_id":364,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":365,"start_s":366,"end_s":367,"word_count":47,"indexable":12},59,"19940","Eso es algo inédito en el mundo.",421.96,423.96,{"idx":369,"utterance_id":370,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":371,"start_s":372,"end_s":373,"word_count":321,"indexable":12},60,"19941","La población está sumamente satisfecha, yo vi eso, hablé con más de 50 personas, y lo que se escucha aquí, a través de esos grupos que se dicen de derechos humanos, en mi opinión derechos humanos de los criminales, porque también deberían ser derechos humanos de las víctimas, es que dicen que El Salvador ha lesionado los derechos humanos.",424.66,448.08,{"idx":375,"utterance_id":376,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":377,"start_s":378,"end_s":379,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},61,"19942","Otra aprobación inédita.",448.58,450.66,{"idx":381,"utterance_id":382,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":383,"start_s":384,"end_s":385,"word_count":149,"indexable":12},62,"19943","un gobierno con más del 90% de aprobación y un dato muy relevante: el 5% de la población que había emigrado de El Salvador volvió.",451.24,462.32,{"idx":387,"utterance_id":388,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":389,"start_s":390,"end_s":391,"word_count":65,"indexable":12},63,"19944","300 mil personas están de vuelta en El Salvador.",462.34,467.48,{"idx":393,"utterance_id":394,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":395,"start_s":396,"end_s":397,"word_count":133,"indexable":12},64,"19945","El 5% de la población de Brasil significa como si 10 millones de brasileños que están en el exterior regresaran al Brasil.",467.5,477.36,{"idx":399,"utterance_id":400,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":401,"start_s":402,"end_s":403,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},65,"19946","Entonces eso demuestra el éxito.",477.74,479.96,{"idx":405,"utterance_id":406,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":407,"start_s":408,"end_s":409,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},66,"19947","de ese tipo de acción, que fue prácticamente aumentar las penas y encuadrar a las organizaciones como terroristas.",480.72,488.36,{"idx":411,"utterance_id":412,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":413,"start_s":414,"end_s":415,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},67,"19948","Y es lo que Brasil necesita hacer.",488.52,490.3,{"idx":417,"utterance_id":418,"speaker_name":8,"text":419,"start_s":420,"end_s":421,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},68,"19949","Gobernador, quería comentar un poquito, nuestro tiempo es corto, pero quería comentar un poco la encuesta Quest, que acaba de salir.",490.76,496.86,{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":8,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},69,"19950","Mostró que usted, por ejemplo, está en una condición mucho más competitiva.",496.9,499.24,{"idx":429,"utterance_id":430,"speaker_name":8,"text":431,"start_s":432,"end_s":433,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},70,"19951","Además, todos los gobernadores de derecha, los representantes de la derecha, usted tiene su mejor desempeño.",499.34,503.9,{"idx":435,"utterance_id":436,"speaker_name":8,"text":437,"start_s":438,"end_s":439,"word_count":97,"indexable":12},71,"19952","Lula cae de 47 a 43 en un mes, de octubre a noviembre.",503.94,507.78,{"idx":441,"utterance_id":442,"speaker_name":8,"text":443,"start_s":444,"end_s":445,"word_count":91,"indexable":12},72,"19953","Y usted, por ejemplo, en la segunda vuelta, sube de 32 a 36.",508.14,512.8,{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":8,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},73,"19954","Lula disminuye su favoritismo en la segunda vuelta en relación con todos los representantes de la derecha.",513,517.38,{"idx":453,"utterance_id":454,"speaker_name":8,"text":455,"start_s":456,"end_s":457,"word_count":33,"indexable":12},74,"19955","¿Qué significa eso?",517.52,518.38,{"idx":459,"utterance_id":460,"speaker_name":8,"text":461,"start_s":462,"end_s":463,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},75,"19956","¿Qué muestra?",518.42,519,{"idx":465,"utterance_id":466,"speaker_name":8,"text":467,"start_s":468,"end_s":469,"word_count":109,"indexable":12},76,"19957","¿Cuál es su... su lectura en caliente de esos números que acabamos de transmitir?",519.08,524,{"idx":471,"utterance_id":472,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":473,"start_s":474,"end_s":475,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},77,"19958","Amanda, como buen mineiro, me gustan las elecciones después del escrutinio, después de que todo esté concluido.",526.8,534.62,{"idx":477,"utterance_id":478,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":479,"start_s":480,"end_s":481,"word_count":19,"indexable":12},78,"19959","Quedo satisfecho con el resultado.",534.74,536.72,{"idx":483,"utterance_id":484,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":485,"start_s":486,"end_s":487,"word_count":127,"indexable":12},79,"19960","Esto demuestra que nos estamos volviendo más conocidos, que nuestras propuestas son realmente las que el brasileño cree.",537.6,547.14,{"idx":489,"utterance_id":490,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":491,"start_s":492,"end_s":493,"word_count":233,"indexable":12},80,"19961","Y lo que puedo decir, Amanda, es que probamos aquí en Minas Gerais, en estos siete años de mi gestión, que es posible reconstruir aquello que el PT destruyó, porque asumimos aquí un Estado arruinado.",547.94,563.32,{"idx":495,"utterance_id":496,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":497,"start_s":498,"end_s":499,"word_count":186,"indexable":12},81,"19962","Y la encuesta para mí tiene validez, pero sé que aún tenemos mucha agua que pasar por debajo del puente en estos próximos 11 meses, durante mi campaña en 2018.",563.92,577.2,{"idx":501,"utterance_id":502,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":503,"start_s":504,"end_s":505,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},82,"19963","Siempre fui el cuarto colocado, el tercero, y cuando llegó la primera vuelta estaba en primero.",577.4,585.02,{"idx":507,"utterance_id":508,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":509,"start_s":510,"end_s":511,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},83,"19964","El giro fue en la última vuelta del circuito, fue en la última semana.",585.3,590.64,{"idx":513,"utterance_id":514,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":515,"start_s":516,"end_s":517,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},84,"19965","Entonces la encuesta ayuda, pero todo aún va a ocurrir.",591.12,595.08,{"idx":519,"utterance_id":520,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":521,"start_s":522,"end_s":523,"word_count":262,"indexable":12},85,"19966","Pero me satisface que nuestras propuestas sean aquellas que los brasileños... Quieren más empleo, más seguridad pública, que el gobierno sea un gobierno económico y no que esté derrochando, que es lo que probamos que es posible hacer en Minas Gerais.",595.16,613.38,{"idx":525,"utterance_id":526,"speaker_name":8,"text":527,"start_s":528,"end_s":529,"word_count":121,"indexable":12},86,"19967","Gobernador, ¿usted va a ser candidato a la presidencia de la República en cualquier escenario o dependerá de las circunstancias?",613.62,621.5,{"idx":531,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":8,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":157,"indexable":12},87,"19968","¿En qué circunstancia usted con seguridad será candidato a la presidencia de la República y en qué circunstancia podría revisar sus planes?",621.58,629.5,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},88,"19969","Bueno, Amanda, mis planes no serán revisados, ya están 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como candidato a la presidencia con el aval de Bolsonaro, aun en ese caso, ¿usted mantendrá su candidatura?",683.82,691.68,{"idx":590,"utterance_id":591,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":592,"start_s":593,"end_s":594,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},97,"19978","La mantendremos, sí.",693.84,694.94,{"idx":596,"utterance_id":597,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":598,"start_s":599,"end_s":600,"word_count":47,"indexable":12},98,"19979","Tarcísio es un gran candidato.",695.52,697.5,{"idx":602,"utterance_id":603,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":604,"start_s":605,"end_s":606,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},99,"19980","Cuantos más candidatos tenga la derecha, Amanda, mejor.",697.68,701.84,{"idx":608,"utterance_id":609,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":610,"start_s":611,"end_s":612,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},100,"19981","Y si él llega a la segunda vuelta, tendrá todo mi 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¿usted ve un panorama electoral cómo?",720.46,723.24,{"idx":644,"utterance_id":645,"speaker_name":8,"text":646,"start_s":647,"end_s":648,"word_count":97,"indexable":12},106,"19987","¿Con varios candidatos de la derecha o con quizás dos o tres candidatos como máximo?",723.88,728.54,{"idx":650,"utterance_id":651,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":652,"start_s":653,"end_s":654,"word_count":157,"indexable":12},107,"19988","Amanda, discrepo de ese tipo de análisis por un motivo muy simple, que en mi opinión, quien nos está siguiendo aquí va a estar de acuerdo conmigo.",731.04,739.62,{"idx":656,"utterance_id":657,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":658,"start_s":659,"end_s":660,"word_count":203,"indexable":12},108,"19989","Somos gobernadores bien valorados, aquellos que serán precandidatos, candidatos a la presidencia de la República, y cada uno de nosotros, con toda seguridad, tendrá un mayor volumen de votos en su respectivo Estado.",740.92,757.06,{"idx":662,"utterance_id":663,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":664,"start_s":665,"end_s":666,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},109,"19990","Es decir, vamos a traer más votos para la derecha.",757.66,762.78,{"idx":668,"utterance_id":669,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":670,"start_s":671,"end_s":672,"word_count":83,"indexable":12},110,"19991","Y en una segunda vuelta, como sabemos, el que vaya de la derecha tendrá todo el apoyo de aquellos que no fueron y con una transferencia muy grande de esos votos.",763.26,774.84,{"idx":142,"utterance_id":674,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":675,"start_s":676,"end_s":677,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},"19992","Y veo que la derecha debería llegar a tener dos, tres o cuatro candidatos.",775.32,780.26,{"idx":679,"utterance_id":680,"speaker_name":35,"speaker_slug":36,"text":681,"start_s":682,"end_s":683,"word_count":215,"indexable":12},112,"19993","Y eso no me molesta en absoluto, me llevo muy bien con todos esos gobernadores y tengo la seguridad de que en la segunda vuelta estaremos unidos contra ese partido que ha destruido a Brasil.",780.64,794.72,{"idx":685,"utterance_id":686,"speaker_name":8,"text":687,"start_s":688,"end_s":689,"word_count":11,"indexable":12},113,"19994","¿Eso no es una demostración de que el bolsonarismo se está debilitando?",795.08,798.76,{"idx":691,"utterance_id":692,"speaker_name":8,"text":693,"start_s":694,"end_s":695,"word_count":209,"indexable":12},114,"19995","Además, el presidente Bolsonaro está ahí, a las puertas de ser detenido, esperando solamente el tránsito en cosa juzgada en el STF, ¿y que la derecha hoy es más grande que el bolsonarismo?",798.8,808.62,{"idx":697,"utterance_id":698,"speaker_name":8,"text":699,"start_s":700,"end_s":701,"word_count":47,"indexable":12},115,"19996","¿Usted está de acuerdo con ese 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