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conscientes.",67.52,70.78,{"idx":158,"utterance_id":159,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":160,"start_s":161,"end_s":162,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},14,"69312","Estamos hablando de tres precandidatos que tienen experiencia, madurez y compromiso, y por encima de todo, espíritu público.",71.2,78.8,18,{"idx":165,"utterance_id":166,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":167,"start_s":168,"end_s":169,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},15,"69313","con São Paulo y con Brasil.",79.9,81.62,{"idx":112,"utterance_id":171,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":172,"start_s":173,"end_s":174,"word_count":175,"topic_slug":176,"topic_label":177,"target_id":178,"target_proposition":179,"stance":180,"stance_confidence":181,"rationale":182,"indexable":183},"69314","Hemos conversado de forma colectiva, nosotros tres, y somos conscientes de que de las convenciones de esa frente amplia solo saldrán dos precandidatos al Senado por São 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PSB.",{"idx":163,"utterance_id":195,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":196,"start_s":197,"end_s":198,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},"69316","No tenemos vacantes para... para Marina o para Márcio, pero sí tenemos vacantes abiertas también para otros compañeros y compañeras de suplencias.",115.28,123.16,{"idx":93,"utterance_id":200,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":201,"start_s":202,"end_s":203,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":205,"topic_label":206,"target_id":207,"target_proposition":208,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":210,"rationale":211,"indexable":183},"69317","Entonces somos un equipo y es ese equipo el que estará de forma unida, colectivamente, trabajando en un proyecto de desarrollo, de progreso, de justicia social, no solo para São Paulo, sino también para Brasil.",123.56,138.44,36,"acao-executiva-promessa-de-governo","Acción ejecutiva","f1eec4f9-2f42-4c39-b53f-add9f419053a","trabajar colectivamente por un proyecto de desarrollo y justicia 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Paulo?",156.92,160.38,{"idx":21,"utterance_id":230,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":231,"start_s":232,"end_s":233,"word_count":146,"topic_slug":176,"topic_label":177,"target_id":234,"target_proposition":235,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":236,"rationale":237,"indexable":183},"69321","No tengo duda de que sería y es el mejor nombre, Uribe.",162.14,165.32,"9362bdc7-3a43-4962-a6ca-a956ec7c4151","apoyar la indicación de Geraldo Alckmin como vice en la fórmula de Fernando Haddad",0.9,"dice 'não tenho dúvida' de que él es el mejor nombre; apoyo explícito.",{"idx":239,"utterance_id":240,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":241,"start_s":242,"end_s":243,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},24,"69322","Tuve la oportunidad de hablar con el presidente Lula sobre ese asunto más de una vez.",165.38,169.42,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":245,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":246,"start_s":247,"end_s":248,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},"69323","La primera vez fue cuando él me 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nombre, es una persona de centro, que dialoga mucho con el sector productivo, especialmente con la industria industria de São Paulo.",179.44,201,66,"politica-comercial","Política comercial","e8f7ad98-f48b-48ed-9f3f-c89088ae8612","promover la industrialización de materias primas y el desarrollo de cadenas de valor nacionales",0.88,"elogia el proyecto de neoindustrialización y defiende la reactivación de la industria.",{"idx":272,"utterance_id":273,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":274,"start_s":275,"end_s":276,"word_count":277,"topic_slug":63,"topic_label":59,"target_id":278,"target_proposition":279,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":269,"rationale":280,"indexable":183},29,"69327","Creo que esté muy satisfecha no solo con el proyecto de neoindustrialización del gobierno federal, como con la propia reforma tributaria que fue aprobada por el Congreso Nacional, lo digo sin miedo a equivocarme, porque trabaja en este asunto desde hace 30 años, desde la época en que daba clase de derecho administrativo en las universidades, que es la reforma de la industria, la retomada de la industrialización, no solo en São Paulo, en el Sudeste, sino también en Brasil.",201.06,227.26,73,"bf373b13-a6b9-4d7e-9aa7-7d3fdd142e37","implementar la reforma tributaria aprobada por el Congreso Nacional","afirma apoyo a la reforma tributaria aprobada y conocimiento técnico.",{"idx":73,"utterance_id":282,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":283,"start_s":284,"end_s":285,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},"69328","Entonces, sí, entiendo que el mejor nombre; creo que ese también sea un deseo, una voluntad.",227.58,232.66,{"idx":287,"utterance_id":288,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":289,"start_s":290,"end_s":291,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},31,"69329","no solo del presidente Lula, sino también del vicepresidente Geraldo Alckmin.",232.98,236.26,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":293,"speaker_name":69,"text":294,"start_s":295,"end_s":296,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},"69330","Clarice Oliveira hace la próxima pregunta.",236.5,238.54,{"idx":27,"utterance_id":298,"speaker_name":69,"text":299,"start_s":300,"end_s":301,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},"69331","Muy buenas tardes, ministra.",239.34,240.54,{"idx":303,"utterance_id":304,"speaker_name":69,"text":305,"start_s":306,"end_s":307,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},34,"69332","Siempre un placer hablar con usted.",240.62,242.3,{"idx":309,"utterance_id":310,"speaker_name":69,"text":311,"start_s":312,"end_s":313,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},35,"69333","Gracias por participar aquí en Bastidores.",242.34,244.46,{"idx":204,"utterance_id":315,"speaker_name":69,"text":316,"start_s":317,"end_s":318,"word_count":319,"indexable":74},"69334","Ministra, ayer mismo hablé con una figura del PT que está muy involucrada en esas negociaciones para la composición de la chapa y esa persona me dijo que... Hay un ala muy expresiva, según ellos, dentro de la campaña de Fernando Haddad, empeñada en convencerla de que renuncie al Senado y acepte la condición de vice, con el argumento de que usted es mujer y podría... atraer más, sumar más entre el electorado femenino, y también ayudar a Fernando Haddad con el centro electoral en el interior de São Paulo, que es muy estratégico.",244.52,278.46,92,{"idx":321,"utterance_id":322,"speaker_name":69,"text":323,"start_s":324,"end_s":325,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},37,"69335","Pero sabemos que usted está posicionada como precandidata al Senado y que hay un compromiso con usted en esa dirección que vino desde la migración al PSB.",279.02,287.9,{"idx":327,"utterance_id":328,"speaker_name":69,"text":329,"start_s":330,"end_s":331,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},38,"69336","Entonces le pregunto a usted: ¿existe alguna posibilidad de que usted acepte disputar como vice?",288.52,294,{"idx":333,"utterance_id":334,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":335,"start_s":336,"end_s":337,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},39,"69337","Bueno, primero, Clarice, agradezco la pregunta y agradezco el cariño de un ala del PT que siempre recuerda mi nombre.",295.64,301.16,{"idx":190,"utterance_id":339,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":340,"start_s":341,"end_s":342,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},"69338","Eso demuestra cuánto fui bien acogida.",301.88,303.92,{"idx":223,"utterance_id":344,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":345,"start_s":346,"end_s":347,"word_count":146,"topic_slug":348,"topic_label":349,"target_id":350,"target_proposition":351,"stance":180,"stance_confidence":181,"rationale":352,"indexable":183},"69339","Yo que soy una persona de centro, que no soy de izquierda.",304.08,306.44,"ideologia-politica","Ideología política","5054b55b-acee-49bc-963f-89ab7b1197d6","posicionarse como una política de centro","afirma 'sou uma pessoa de centro' sin proponer acción.",{"idx":354,"utterance_id":355,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":356,"start_s":357,"end_s":358,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},42,"69340","La gente siempre decía: el PT es siempre muy difícil.",307.88,310.38,{"idx":360,"utterance_id":361,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":362,"start_s":363,"end_s":364,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},43,"69341","Yo digo, gente, nunca tuve dificultad con el PT, ni cuando estábamos en lados opuestos.",310.42,315.12,{"idx":366,"utterance_id":367,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":368,"start_s":369,"end_s":370,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},44,"69342","Y fui muy bien recibida en el gobierno, tengo un excelente diálogo y relación.",315.2,319.36,{"idx":372,"utterance_id":373,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":374,"start_s":375,"end_s":376,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},45,"69343","Pero quiero adelantarles con toda claridad que quien habla... en nombre del PT, nuevamente, además del presidente Lula y de Fernando Haddad, es el presidente nacional del PT, Edinho Silva.",320.56,332.18,{"idx":378,"utterance_id":379,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":380,"start_s":381,"end_s":382,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},46,"69344","Y ante esas movilizaciones, hoy, hace un momento, él me mandó un mensaje; está aquí en mi WhatsApp.",332.58,337.32,{"idx":384,"utterance_id":385,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":386,"start_s":387,"end_s":388,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},47,"69345","No lo provoqué ni nada, porque no estoy preocupada por ese asunto.",337.78,341.24,{"idx":390,"utterance_id":391,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":392,"start_s":393,"end_s":394,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},48,"69346","Sé que la palabra dada del presidente Lula, para mí, es suficiente.",341.54,345.02,{"idx":396,"utterance_id":397,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":398,"start_s":399,"end_s":400,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},49,"69347","Y él me mandó aquí un mensaje; no sé si puedo mostrarlo ahora aquí, muy claro, así, eh, aquí está.",345.36,350.6,{"idx":402,"utterance_id":403,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":404,"start_s":405,"end_s":406,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":176,"topic_label":177,"target_id":407,"target_proposition":408,"stance":180,"stance_confidence":236,"rationale":409,"indexable":74},50,"69348","Usted es nuestra candidata al Senado.",350.7,352.9,"e089b577-3305-48c8-8e9e-591a67063bec","confirmar el apoyo del presidente Lula a su precandidatura al Senado","lee un mensaje de Edinho: 'Você é a nossa candidata ao Senado'.",{"idx":411,"utterance_id":412,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":413,"start_s":414,"end_s":415,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},51,"69349","Palabra de él.",352.96,353.72,{"idx":417,"utterance_id":418,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":419,"start_s":420,"end_s":421,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},52,"69350","Tengo que decir aquí, ¿no?, que en el caso precandidata, ¿no?, porque estamos en un periodo preelectoral.",354.08,358.9,{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":428,"indexable":74},53,"69351","Entonces, pues, él de entrada ya quería decir, mira, esto forma parte del proceso y lo justifico porque estuve con Haddad hace un tiempo y él me había hablado de una encuesta interna del partido, no recuerdo los números, pero decía lo siguiente: que en una disputa donde yo aparecía como... precandidata a la vice en la encuesta, yo le quitaba tres puntos al adversario y le daba tres puntos a él en una diferencia menor al 6%.",359.34,385.42,75,{"idx":430,"utterance_id":431,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":432,"start_s":433,"end_s":434,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},54,"69352","Eso en aquel entonces puede haber cambiado.",385.64,387.3,{"idx":436,"utterance_id":437,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":438,"start_s":439,"end_s":440,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},55,"69353","Y él simplemente constató eso y ni siquiera me hizo pedido alguno, porque sabe que nuestro objetivo principal es la reelección del presidente Lula.",388.7,398.88,{"idx":442,"utterance_id":443,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":444,"start_s":445,"end_s":446,"word_count":447,"indexable":74},56,"69354","Vengo para una frente amplia, para junto con Geraldo Alckmin, que también es de mi partido; estamos recorriendo no solo la capital, sino especialmente el interior de São Paulo, hablando con sectores con los que el PT no entra, pero yo dialogo, todos lo saben, nunca lo negué, soy del agronegocio, mi familia es del agronegocio, he visto incluso... la discusión sobre la cuestión del refinanciamiento de la deuda.",398.94,421.46,70,{"idx":449,"utterance_id":450,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":451,"start_s":452,"end_s":453,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},57,"69355","Entonces soy aquella persona que tiene la legitimidad para dialogar con los sectores del centro, del centro-derecha.",421.82,428.48,{"idx":455,"utterance_id":456,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":457,"start_s":458,"end_s":459,"word_count":460,"indexable":74},58,"69356","Yo, que soy más fiscalista, que soy más centro-derecha en la agenda económica, que soy centro-izquierda en la agenda de derechos humanos, en la agenda de costumbres, que tengo esa posibilidad de dar ese rostro de frente amplia, que es el verdadero rostro del gobierno del presidente Lula, que tiene en sus 37 ministerios y tuvo... hasta hace poco, tres ministros del MDB, tres ministros del PSD, tres ministros del PSB y así sucesivamente, republicanos, en fin, PP, todos formando parte del gobierno de frente amplia del presidente Lula.",428.54,460.66,87,{"idx":462,"utterance_id":463,"speaker_name":69,"text":464,"start_s":465,"end_s":466,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},59,"69357","Isabel Mega.",461.5,462.08,{"idx":468,"utterance_id":469,"speaker_name":69,"text":470,"start_s":471,"end_s":472,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},60,"69358","Ministra, bienvenida.",462.78,464.16,{"idx":474,"utterance_id":475,"speaker_name":69,"text":476,"start_s":477,"end_s":478,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},61,"69359","Es muy bueno hablar con usted aquí en Bastidores.",464.36,466.56,{"idx":480,"utterance_id":481,"speaker_name":69,"text":482,"start_s":483,"end_s":484,"word_count":309,"indexable":74},62,"69360","En la primera respuesta usted dijo algo en la línea de —y si mi interpretación está equivocada, por favor corríjame— que defiende el nombre del PSB para la vice de Fernanda Haddad.",466.98,478.04,{"idx":486,"utterance_id":487,"speaker_name":69,"text":488,"start_s":489,"end_s":490,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},63,"69361","Entonces, si no es usted, solo queda Marcio França.",478.14,481.3,{"idx":492,"utterance_id":493,"speaker_name":69,"text":494,"start_s":495,"end_s":496,"word_count":333,"indexable":74},64,"69362","¿Por qué está tan difícil convencer a Marcio França y, al mismo tiempo, me gustaría que usted nos ayudara a entender cuál es el papel de cada uno en la fórmula, qué aporta cada uno de esos nombres en ese contexto?",481.82,493.72,{"idx":498,"utterance_id":499,"speaker_name":69,"text":500,"start_s":501,"end_s":502,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},65,"69363","¿Qué es lo que tiene Fernanda Haddad —porque así fue como él se refirió a todas esas disputas— que puede sumar a la candidatura del PT en el Estado de São Paulo?",493.9,502.1,{"idx":264,"utterance_id":504,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":505,"start_s":506,"end_s":507,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},"69364","En política todo es equipo, es tiempo.",503.98,505.66,{"idx":509,"utterance_id":510,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":511,"start_s":512,"end_s":513,"word_count":101,"indexable":74},67,"69365","La conversación todavía no ha ocurrido.",505.92,507.62,{"idx":515,"utterance_id":516,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":517,"start_s":518,"end_s":519,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},68,"69366","Estamos siendo atropellados por los acontecimientos.",507.76,510.24,{"idx":521,"utterance_id":522,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":523,"start_s":524,"end_s":525,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},69,"69367","No podemos olvidar que el presidente Lula aún es un precandidato, pero es el presidente de la República Federativa del Brasil.",510.32,517,{"idx":447,"utterance_id":527,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":528,"start_s":529,"end_s":530,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},"69368","Tiene demandas; es decir, hace política, la campaña, los sábados y domingos.",517.36,521.54,{"idx":532,"utterance_id":533,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":534,"start_s":535,"end_s":536,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},71,"69369","Además, de lunes a viernes, aunque inaugurando obras, no deja de estar, de alguna forma, divulgando su trabajo.",521.86,528.72,{"idx":538,"utterance_id":539,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":540,"start_s":541,"end_s":542,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},72,"69370","Tiene demandas normales del día a día.",529.48,533.06,{"idx":277,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},"69371","Y eso cuando no somos atropellados por malas noticias de falsos profetas y falsos patriotas, que van a Estados Unidos a abogar contra Brasil.",533.44,545.2,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},74,"69372","Entonces es un dolor tras otro, cada día despertando con ruido.",545.52,549.7,{"idx":428,"utterance_id":555,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":556,"start_s":557,"end_s":558,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},"69373","También estamos hablando de 20 estados de la Federación Brasileña, donde necesitamos componer alianzas.",550.14,554,{"idx":560,"utterance_id":561,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":562,"start_s":563,"end_s":564,"word_count":460,"indexable":74},76,"69374","Creo que en el momento oportuno el presidente Lula estará llamando al PSB para conversar; no solo me llamará a mí... aunque mi asunto ya está conversado, sino también al propio ex-ministro y precandidato Marcio França, que es un gran compañero, una persona extraordinaria para el diálogo, para el consenso, que juega en equipo, y que cuando llegue la hora de conversar —sea Haddad, sea el propio Geraldo Alckmin o el presidente Lula quien converse— lo escuchará, verá las demandas y, obviamente, a partir de ahí, daremos nuestro veredicto.",554.4,590,{"idx":566,"utterance_id":567,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":568,"start_s":569,"end_s":570,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},77,"69375","No estoy con ello abogando ni por A ni por B. Soy la última que puede abogar por un nombre para componer la fórmula conmigo en una precandidatura al Senado.",590.52,600.62,{"idx":572,"utterance_id":573,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":574,"start_s":575,"end_s":576,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},78,"69376","Cuando digo que me gustaría, es porque formo parte del PSB.",600.98,603.9,{"idx":578,"utterance_id":579,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":580,"start_s":581,"end_s":582,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":176,"topic_label":177,"target_id":583,"target_proposition":584,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":269,"rationale":585,"indexable":183},79,"69377","Si el PSB pudiera tener dos plazas como precandidato al Senado y la plaza de la vice, es obvio que abogaría.",604.42,610.86,"8b077e96-580a-4cc3-83ea-085f162cd538","conseguir dos escaños para el PSB en el Senado y negociar la candidatura a la vicepresidencia","declara que abogará por dos plazas y por la plaza de vice para el PSB.",{"idx":587,"utterance_id":588,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":589,"start_s":590,"end_s":591,"word_count":327,"indexable":74},80,"69378","En ese sentido, eso no va a suceder, quiero anticiparlo, pero es solo en ese sentido que considero a Marcio França un excelente nombre, tanto para ser precandidato al Senado como para integrar la fórmula como vice de Fernanda Haddad.",611.78,626.5,{"idx":593,"utterance_id":594,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":595,"start_s":596,"end_s":597,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},81,"69379","Conoce el Estado, ya gobernó el Estado, ya fue ministro de Estado, y es combativo, y necesitamos dar los enfrentamientos legítimos en São Paulo.",626.6,637.3,{"idx":599,"utterance_id":600,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":601,"start_s":602,"end_s":603,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},82,"69380","Salir de ese discurso superficial en que se ha convertido la política hoy, de la 'lacra'... en las redes sociales, discutiendo cuestiones puntuales.",637.62,644.72,{"idx":605,"utterance_id":606,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":607,"start_s":608,"end_s":609,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":610,"target_proposition":611,"stance":612,"stance_confidence":210,"rationale":613,"indexable":183},83,"69381","¿Voy a reducir la mayoría de edad penal o no, cuando el problema de la seguridad pública de São Paulo y de Brasil es infinitamente mayor?",645.2,651.62,"15293e1d-409e-48a4-81a1-592187d63b28","reducir la edad de responsabilidad penal","contra","critica la propuesta de bajar la edad penal como un discurso superficial.",{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":140,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":620,"target_proposition":621,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":622,"rationale":623,"indexable":183},84,"69382","Estamos frente al PCC y al CV, que ahora son organizaciones transnacionales.",651.92,656.88,"a9341e56-f542-4a9c-8ac7-a79b7e9564d9","fortalecer políticas de seguridad pública para combatir organizaciones criminales transnacionales",0.82,"cita al PCC y al CV transnacionales y la necesidad de enfrentarlos.",{"idx":625,"utterance_id":626,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":627,"start_s":628,"end_s":629,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},85,"69383","Tenemos una discusión sobre movilidad urbana muy seria en las grandes... metrópolis, no solo de São Paulo, sino también de Brasil.",657.3,665.22,{"idx":631,"utterance_id":632,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":633,"start_s":634,"end_s":635,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},86,"69384","Entonces, son temas relevantes como estos los que exigen un equipo de la envergadura del equipo que estamos formando aquí.",665.26,670.98,{"idx":460,"utterance_id":637,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":638,"start_s":639,"end_s":640,"word_count":396,"indexable":74},"69385","Estamos hablando de cinco, estamos hablando de cinco, de nuestro lado, liderazgos que tienen experiencia, competencia, espíritu público y que fueron o gobernadores de São Paulo... o ministros de Estado, o senadores de la República, o candidatos a la presidencia de la República, cuando no han sido todo eso a la vez.",671.54,690.86,{"idx":642,"utterance_id":643,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":644,"start_s":645,"end_s":646,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},88,"69386","Cualquiera de ellos.",691.18,692.06,{"idx":648,"utterance_id":649,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":650,"start_s":651,"end_s":652,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},89,"69387","Cuando digo cinco, estoy incluyendo aquí, obviamente, a Geraldo Alckmin.",692.16,695.44,{"idx":654,"utterance_id":655,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":656,"start_s":657,"end_s":658,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},90,"69388","y, siendo de São Paulo, es nuestro precandidato también a la Previdencia de la República.",695.86,700.04,{"idx":660,"utterance_id":661,"speaker_name":69,"text":662,"start_s":663,"end_s":664,"word_count":378,"indexable":74},91,"69389","Ministra, estaba aquí echando un vistazo a la campaña de 2022, la cubrí, la vi ahí cuando, en la segunda vuelta, entró en un auditorio en un hotel en São Paulo para anunciar apoyo al presidente, tuvo una participación extremadamente relevante en relación con el voto de las mujeres.",700.3,720.32,{"idx":319,"utterance_id":666,"speaker_name":69,"text":667,"start_s":668,"end_s":669,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},"69390","Llegó a llamar en esa ocasión... al ex-presidente Jair Bolsonaro pedófilo en relación con aquel pintor clima que ocupó las portadas de los periódicos, ¿no?",720.98,732.32,{"idx":671,"utterance_id":672,"speaker_name":69,"text":673,"start_s":674,"end_s":675,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},93,"69391","Después de que Jair Bolsonaro habló de niñas venezolanas.",732.4,736.32,{"idx":677,"utterance_id":678,"speaker_name":69,"text":679,"start_s":680,"end_s":681,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},94,"69392","Usted tuvo un tono muy contundente en aquella época de enfrentamiento a Jair Bolsonaro y, en consecuencia, aportó votos al presidente Lula.",736.56,745.32,{"idx":683,"utterance_id":684,"speaker_name":69,"text":685,"start_s":686,"end_s":687,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},95,"69393","Ayudó a Lula, sobre todo con el público femenino.",745.4,747.74,{"idx":689,"utterance_id":690,"speaker_name":69,"text":691,"start_s":692,"end_s":693,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},96,"69394","¿Será esa la misma Simone Tebet en 2026?",748.2,751.8,{"idx":695,"utterance_id":696,"speaker_name":69,"text":697,"start_s":698,"end_s":699,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},97,"69395","¿Será ese el tono utilizado con Flávia?",752.06,753.72,{"idx":701,"utterance_id":702,"speaker_name":69,"text":703,"start_s":704,"end_s":705,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},98,"69396","¿Bolsonaro?",753.78,754.38,{"idx":707,"utterance_id":708,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":709,"start_s":710,"end_s":711,"word_count":138,"indexable":74},99,"69397","Tainá, seré para São Paulo y para Brasil todo aquello que São Paulo y Brasil necesiten de mí.",756.18,761.14,{"idx":713,"utterance_id":714,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":715,"start_s":716,"end_s":717,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},100,"69398","Ese es mi espíritu público.",761.4,762.78,{"idx":719,"utterance_id":720,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":721,"start_s":722,"end_s":723,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},101,"69399","Creo que no me falta coraje, ya lo he demostrado.",763.32,765.94,{"idx":725,"utterance_id":726,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":727,"start_s":728,"end_s":729,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},102,"69400","No nací valiente, pero la vida me forjó en eso.",766.42,769.82,{"idx":731,"utterance_id":732,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":733,"start_s":734,"end_s":735,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},103,"69401","Las mujeres que van a la vida pública, ya sea como periodistas, como profesionales liberales o como políticas, se fortalecen en el dolor.",769.88,777.32,{"idx":737,"utterance_id":738,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":739,"start_s":740,"end_s":741,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},104,"69402","Aprendí a no poner mala cara y a enfrentar.",777.7,780.18,{"idx":743,"utterance_id":744,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":745,"start_s":746,"end_s":747,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":748,"topic_label":749,"target_id":750,"target_proposition":751,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":236,"rationale":752,"indexable":183},105,"69403","Y el gobierno Bolsonaro me dio el coraje que me faltaba para defender a las mujeres, a las minorías, a la juventud, a nuestros trabajadores, a los sectores productivos, porque el bolsonarismo representa todo",781.16,795.52,"direitos-humanos","Derechos Humanos","46e34418-d4e2-486c-9650-5a941166e90a","garantizar protección a las mujeres, a la comunidad LGBTQIA+ y a las poblaciones periféricas","afirma que se sintió motivada a defender a las mujeres, minorías y jóvenes.",{"idx":754,"utterance_id":755,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":756,"start_s":757,"end_s":758,"word_count":165,"indexable":74},106,"69404","lo que no acepto y lo que no quiero para mi país.",795.6,798.52,{"idx":760,"utterance_id":761,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":762,"start_s":763,"end_s":764,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},107,"69405","Entonces, si necesito enfrentar, lo haré.",798.94,801.46,{"idx":766,"utterance_id":767,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":768,"start_s":769,"end_s":770,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},108,"69406","He estado haciendo eso en las redes sociales.",801.8,803.68,{"idx":772,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":327,"indexable":74},109,"69407","Digo que quien habla en nombre de Dios, de la patria y de la familia, hoy es el Dios del dinero o del poder de ellos; la patria que no es la nuestra y la familia propia, nunca la familia brasileña.",804.26,815.02,{"idx":778,"utterance_id":779,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":780,"start_s":781,"end_s":782,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},110,"69408","Mostrándose ahí, las máscaras están cayendo, las encuestas lo demuestran en ese sentido.",816.22,821.94,{"idx":784,"utterance_id":785,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":786,"start_s":787,"end_s":788,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},111,"69409","Pero vengo principalmente, Tainá —su pregunta es sumamente relevante— para intentar elevar el nivel del debate y de las discusiones aquí en São Paulo y en Brasil.",822.26,831.76,{"idx":790,"utterance_id":791,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":792,"start_s":793,"end_s":794,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},112,"69410","Ya no se puede permitir que esta política rastrera, mezquina, equivocada siga marcando la agenda de los periódicos.",832.18,840.3,{"idx":796,"utterance_id":797,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":798,"start_s":799,"end_s":800,"word_count":468,"indexable":74},113,"69411","Los medios, y no es culpa de ustedes, la culpa es nuestra, de la clase política, mientras aún tenemos... personas desempleadas, una juventud perdida ante estos escenarios internacionales, una guerra o más de una guerra internacional impactando la economía del país, una industria que sigue teniendo que competir, muchas veces de forma desleal, con otros países del mundo.",840.8,864,{"idx":802,"utterance_id":803,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":804,"start_s":805,"end_s":806,"word_count":101,"indexable":74},114,"69412","En fin, es un escenario, ¿no?",864.08,865.6,{"idx":808,"utterance_id":809,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":810,"start_s":811,"end_s":812,"word_count":239,"topic_slug":813,"topic_label":814,"target_id":815,"target_proposition":816,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":622,"rationale":817,"indexable":183},115,"69413","Tenemos un déficit habitacional en Brasil y en São Paulo; solo en la capital de São Paulo se habla de aproximadamente 600 mil viviendas.",865.96,873.48,"politica-de-habitacao","Política de vivienda","bc924e99-3d70-4fd1-a4cf-949670ebff86","ampliar políticas de vivienda social para áreas de vulnerabilidad","cita un déficit habitacional de ~600 mil y pide poner la vivienda social en la agenda.",{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":462,"indexable":74},116,"69414","Marcando la agenda hacia viviendas sociales; en fin, tenemos temas sumamente relevantes y quiero poder estar discutiéndolos con la población paulista, con el electorado paulista y ayudando a la población de São Paulo a elegir los mejores nombres para la Cámara Federal, para las Asambleas Legislativas, para el Senado Federal, para el Gobierno del Estado y para la Presidencia de la República.",873.82,896.52,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":69,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":93,"indexable":74},117,"69415","Ministra, para no decir que hablamos de política nacional rápidamente, quisiera que usted analizara la aprobación de las pautas-bomba.",897.22,905.3,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":69,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":333,"indexable":74},118,"69416","Si esto perjudica mucho la economía nacional, usted fue ministra de Planificación, era quien miraba el presupuesto con lupa y sabe que una pauta-bomba entorpece mucho la política fiscal del país y aún más este esfuerzo de déficit fiscal.",905.48,919.2,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":69,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},119,"69417","Otro punto, la relación entre Lula y Alcolumbre.",919.76,923.14,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":69,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},120,"69418","Usted fue senadora, conoce muy bien tanto a Lula como a Alcolumbre.",923.68,927.56,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":69,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":146,"indexable":74},121,"69419","¿Usted todavía cree en la posibilidad de un diálogo entre ambos?",928.02,931.46,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},122,"69420","No tengo duda.",933.04,933.78,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":126,"topic_slug":866,"topic_label":867,"target_id":868,"target_proposition":869,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":210,"rationale":870,"indexable":183},123,"69421","Conozco el temperamento y la personalidad de ambos.",933.86,936.26,"relacoes-intergovernamentais","Relaciones intergubernamentales","d0c40dfe-226e-4365-8e04-8757cbce338f","promover diálogo entre el Ejecutivo y el Congreso Nacional","dice creer que Alcolumbre no se negará a hablar con Lula.",{"idx":872,"utterance_id":873,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":874,"start_s":875,"end_s":876,"word_count":372,"indexable":74},124,"69422","Davi Alcolumbre puede tener todos sus defectos, como cualquier persona, pero es un hombre de diálogo, es de sentido común; con el tiempo, si está nervioso de un lado o del otro, pasa un poco, lo llama para conversar, y él nunca se negó.",937.18,952.28,{"idx":878,"utterance_id":879,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":880,"start_s":881,"end_s":882,"word_count":152,"indexable":74},125,"69423","Y no creo que se niegue a conversar con el presidente Lula.",952.68,955.56,{"idx":884,"utterance_id":885,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":886,"start_s":887,"end_s":888,"word_count":175,"indexable":74},126,"69424","Y señalar, así, para limar las asperezas por el bien del país y por la gobernabilidad, buscando, obviamente, el Brasil, a pesar de que él tenga posturas de distanciarse.",955.96,965.98,{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":101,"indexable":74},127,"69425","A favor o en contra del gobierno.",966.02,967.14,{"idx":896,"utterance_id":897,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":898,"start_s":899,"end_s":900,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},128,"69426","Entonces, creo que el diálogo va a ocurrir.",967.46,969.14,{"idx":902,"utterance_id":903,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":904,"start_s":905,"end_s":906,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},129,"69427","Conozco a Davi Alcolumbre muy bien.",969.22,970.8,{"idx":908,"utterance_id":909,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":910,"start_s":911,"end_s":912,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},130,"69428","Fui colega suyo durante ocho años.",971.4,974.36,{"idx":914,"utterance_id":915,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":916,"start_s":917,"end_s":918,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},131,"69429","En relación a las pautas-bomba, Lurib... sin desmerecer la discusión y sin menoscabar el proyecto que fue aprobado ayer, que creo que es meritorio, creo que tenemos que debatir esta cuestión.",975.02,986.3,{"idx":920,"utterance_id":921,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":922,"start_s":923,"end_s":924,"word_count":140,"indexable":74},132,"69430","Los efectos climáticos están ahí, impactando la economía mundial y brasileña.",986.68,991.34,{"idx":926,"utterance_id":927,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":928,"start_s":929,"end_s":930,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":931,"topic_label":932,"target_id":933,"target_proposition":934,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":210,"rationale":935,"indexable":183},133,"69431","Cuando hablamos de deudas del agronegocio, también estamos hablando de la deuda de la agricultura familiar, que pone comida en nuestra mesa.",991.68,999.56,"agricultura-e-agronegocio","Agricultura y agronegocio","41813a91-2bd2-4a23-8102-3648ea93eaa1","refinanciar deudas del agronegocio","afirma que las deudas del agronegocio también involucran a la agricultura familiar.",{"idx":62,"utterance_id":937,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":938,"start_s":939,"end_s":940,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},"69432","El momento, el momento no podría ser peor.",1000.06,1003.14,{"idx":942,"utterance_id":943,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":944,"start_s":945,"end_s":946,"word_count":101,"indexable":74},135,"69433","¿Y por qué lo digo?",1003.68,1004.64,{"idx":948,"utterance_id":949,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":950,"start_s":951,"end_s":952,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},136,"69434","Porque estamos a vísperas de una elección, no sé siquiera si... si es el mejor proyecto para el agronegocio brasileño, y por una razón.",1004.78,1011.56,{"idx":954,"utterance_id":955,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":956,"start_s":957,"end_s":958,"word_count":165,"topic_slug":63,"topic_label":59,"target_id":959,"target_proposition":960,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":961,"rationale":962,"indexable":183},137,"69435","Porque no dejó muy claro de dónde saldrá ese dinero para compensar.",1012.08,1017.32,"d8d4c107-f071-4e4e-b627-b11e1e89c016","exigir compensación presupuestaria para nuevos gastos permanentes",0.86,"critica la ausencia de indicación de fuente para compensar nuevos gastos.",{"idx":964,"utterance_id":965,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":966,"start_s":967,"end_s":968,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},138,"69436","Existe una ley que es la ley de responsabilidad fiscal.",1017.46,1019.62,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},"69437","Y ella es clara.",1019.98,1021.02,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":63,"topic_label":59,"target_id":959,"target_proposition":960,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":236,"rationale":980,"indexable":183},140,"69438","Si creo un gasto permanente, tengo que tener una compensación presupuestaria bajo pena de perjudicar el pago de servicios considerados esenciales.",1021.36,1031.36,"afirma que la creación de gasto permanente exige compensación presupuestaria.",{"idx":982,"utterance_id":983,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":984,"start_s":985,"end_s":986,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},141,"69439","Y creo que este asunto puede avanzar.",1031.8,1034.22,{"idx":988,"utterance_id":989,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":990,"start_s":991,"end_s":992,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":63,"topic_label":59,"target_id":993,"target_proposition":994,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":210,"rationale":995,"indexable":183},142,"69440","Creo que ahora es el momento de que todo el mundo vaya a la mesa de negociación y converse.",1034.56,1037.58,"5cdfb22f-42db-40e3-9ebb-561ff089b38a","abrir negociación entre el Ejecutivo y el Congreso Nacional para definir compensaciones presupuestarias","pide que 'todo mundo vá para a mesa de negociação' para debatir el tema.",{"idx":997,"utterance_id":998,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":999,"start_s":1000,"end_s":1001,"word_count":101,"indexable":74},143,"69441","Tengo una salida, incluso.",1037.68,1039.02,{"idx":1003,"utterance_id":1004,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1005,"start_s":1006,"end_s":1007,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},144,"69442","Y diré que no es demagógica porque lo digo... desde ahora.",1039.36,1042.06,{"idx":1009,"utterance_id":1010,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1011,"start_s":1012,"end_s":1013,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1014,"topic_label":1015,"target_id":1016,"target_proposition":1017,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":181,"rationale":1018,"indexable":183},145,"69443","Fui candidata a la presidencia del Senado, la primera mujer en ser candidata, sabiendo lo que es perder, para denunciar el presupuesto secreto.",1042.36,1048.74,"transparencia-fiscal","Transparencia fiscal","fbdc7b7c-a20b-444d-9f5a-1fb5d4aad37c","asegurar transparencia y fiscalizar el uso de las enmiendas y del presupuesto secreto","revindica haber denunciado el presupuesto secreto como acción propia.",{"idx":1020,"utterance_id":1021,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1022,"start_s":1023,"end_s":1024,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},146,"69444","En 2025, las enmiendas parlamentarias rondaron los 50 mil millones de reales en el año 2025.",1049.12,1056.6,{"idx":1026,"utterance_id":1027,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1028,"start_s":1029,"end_s":1030,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},147,"69445","Este año pasó a 61, 62 mil millones de reales.",1057.22,1061.6,{"idx":1032,"utterance_id":1033,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1034,"start_s":1035,"end_s":1036,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},148,"69446","Por lo tanto, aumentó en 11 a 12 mil millones.",1062.38,1065.48,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1038,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1039,"start_s":1040,"end_s":1041,"word_count":333,"indexable":74},"69447","Esta pauta-bomba, llamándola pauta-bomba, que fue aprobada, según las estimaciones del equipo económico y de los consultores, me parece, y pido disculpas si no fue de los consultores del Senado, que gira en torno a 140 mil millones por año, por 10 años.",1066.34,1084.96,{"idx":1043,"utterance_id":1044,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1045,"start_s":1046,"end_s":1047,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},150,"69448","Si dividimos eso por 10, 140 por 10, da algo en torno a 14 mil millones.",1085.34,1090.1,{"idx":1049,"utterance_id":1050,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1051,"start_s":1052,"end_s":1053,"word_count":120,"indexable":74},151,"69449","Es exactamente este valor el que prácticamente fue aumentado.",1090.5,1095.68,{"idx":1055,"utterance_id":1056,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1057,"start_s":1058,"end_s":1059,"word_count":158,"indexable":74},152,"69450","De gastos de enmiendas parlamentarias del año 2025 al año 2026.",1096.14,1102.24,{"idx":1061,"utterance_id":1062,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1063,"start_s":1064,"end_s":1065,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":63,"topic_label":59,"target_id":1066,"target_proposition":1067,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":210,"rationale":1068,"indexable":74},153,"69451","Entonces, el Senado podría dar un gesto.",1102.52,1104.56,"987a9e18-ed11-423e-957d-1b66d68307b9","limitar el volumen de enmiendas parlamentarias","sugiere que el Senado podría dar un gesto para mitigar el impacto.",{"idx":1070,"utterance_id":1071,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1072,"start_s":1073,"end_s":1074,"word_count":204,"indexable":74},154,"69452","Creo que es importante; es necesario discutir el refinanciamiento de la deuda del sector que más hoy impacta positivamente el PIB brasileño, que hace crecer, genera empleo directo en todas las ciudades de Brasil, especialmente en las medianas y pequeñas.",1104.86,1121.44,{"idx":1076,"utterance_id":1077,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1078,"start_s":1079,"end_s":1080,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},155,"69453","Entonces, renegociemos.",1121.76,1123.52,{"idx":1082,"utterance_id":1083,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1084,"start_s":1085,"end_s":1086,"word_count":303,"topic_slug":63,"topic_label":59,"target_id":1066,"target_proposition":1067,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":236,"rationale":1087,"indexable":183},156,"69454","Si el Congreso entiende que... en el momento en que esto es urgente, que es relevante, que saque, por ejemplo, aquello que no es tan importante, que no es tan relevante y que, inclusive, es una excrescencia.",1123.94,1133.74,"pide explícitamente que el Congreso Nacional 'tire' elementos no relevantes.",{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":309,"topic_slug":63,"topic_label":59,"target_id":1066,"target_proposition":1067,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":269,"rationale":1094,"indexable":183},157,"69455","No estoy en contra de las enmiendas parlamentarias, nunca lo he estado, pero no en tal magnitud que llegue a inmovilizar el presupuesto brasileño e impedir que el ejecutivo, el presidente de la República, sea quien sea, gobierne el país.",1133.98,1144.88,"reconoce las enmiendas, pero rechaza aumentos que rigidicen el presupuesto.",{"idx":1096,"utterance_id":1097,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1098,"start_s":1099,"end_s":1100,"word_count":384,"topic_slug":1014,"topic_label":1015,"target_id":1016,"target_proposition":1017,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":236,"rationale":1101,"indexable":183},158,"69456","Porque casi un tercio hoy del presupuesto libre para hacer políticas públicas en Brasil... Casi un tercio, si no es un tercio, hoy queda en manos del Congreso Nacional en forma de enmiendas que no tienen la debida transparencia, la rastreabilidad y que no tienen planificación.",1145.16,1164.54,"dice que las enmiendas carecen de transparencia y trazabilidad.",{"idx":1103,"utterance_id":1104,"speaker_name":133,"speaker_slug":134,"text":1105,"start_s":1106,"end_s":1107,"word_count":327,"topic_slug":1108,"topic_label":1109,"target_id":1110,"target_proposition":1111,"stance":209,"stance_confidence":269,"rationale":1112,"indexable":183},159,"69457","Entonces el dinero va suelto, llegando a pagar fiesta junina, espectáculos millonarios, mientras la población carece de medicamentos en el puesto, de una merienda de calidad o de una obra de infraestructura relevante o importante para su ciudad.",1164.6,1182.12,"politica-salarial-e-orcamentaria","Política Salarial y Presupuestaria","d50d5c71-0da5-4dfe-85c1-8d8068c08d06","aumentar las inversiones públicas en educación, salud e 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