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quise hacer algo muy íntimo.",526.1,529.48,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":69,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},126,"86928","Entonces ves muchas escenas en la Plaza de San Pedro, pero todo es 3D, todo con fondo verde; contratamos extras y eso.",529.98,540.3,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":69,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":179,"indexable":73},127,"86929","Parece un documental que costó 12 dólares, pero cada una de esas escenas cuesta medio millón de dólares.",540.94,545.98,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":69,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},128,"86930","Cómo hacer una película de 40 millones de dólares que pareciera haber costado 2 millones de dólares.",546.04,550.26,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":69,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},129,"86931","Ese es el truco.",550.64,551.34,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":69,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},130,"86932","Gastar mucho para parecer barato.",552.08,553.62,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":139,"indexable":73},131,"86933","¿Y cómo fue la relación con tu primera producción en Netflix?",554.36,558.24,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":69,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},132,"86934","Mi productora está haciendo una serie llamada Irmandade para Netflix, que ya está en el aire y está bastante buena.",559.62,566.14,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":69,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},133,"86935","Y están empezando una segunda también.",566.22,568,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":867,"speaker_name":69,"text":868,"start_s":869,"end_s":870,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},"86936","Pero la mía fue la primera.",568.98,569.96,{"idx":872,"utterance_id":873,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":874,"start_s":875,"end_s":876,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},135,"86937","¿Y cómo es trabajar con Netflix?",571.02,573.28,{"idx":878,"utterance_id":879,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":880,"start_s":881,"end_s":882,"word_count":121,"indexable":73},136,"86938","¿Qué opinas de Netflix para el... futuro del cine?",573.4,576.5,{"idx":884,"utterance_id":885,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":886,"start_s":887,"end_s":888,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},137,"86939","Quiero decir, Netflix, las plataformas en general.",576.72,578.72,{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},138,"86940","No pretendo hacer propaganda de ninguna aquí.",578.78,581.4,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":69,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},"86941","Creo que no hay... 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Esta película, Dois Papas, todo el proceso fue muy bueno.",738.02,743.06,{"idx":1133,"utterance_id":1134,"speaker_name":69,"text":1135,"start_s":1136,"end_s":1137,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},179,"86981","Pero es un guion que llegó ya hecho.",743.5,744.72,{"idx":1139,"utterance_id":1140,"speaker_name":69,"text":1141,"start_s":1142,"end_s":1143,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},180,"86982","Y Cidade de Deus es la única película que hice en la que leí el libro.",746.14,750.08,{"idx":1145,"utterance_id":1146,"speaker_name":69,"text":1147,"start_s":1148,"end_s":1149,"word_count":151,"indexable":73},181,"86983","Tuve la idea de hacer una película, fue desde el principio hasta el final.",750.52,752.82,{"idx":1151,"utterance_id":1152,"speaker_name":69,"text":1153,"start_s":1154,"end_s":1155,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},182,"86984","Financié la película, así que no tenía ningún patrón.",753.66,755.62,{"idx":1157,"utterance_id":1158,"speaker_name":69,"text":1159,"start_s":1160,"end_s":1161,"word_count":191,"indexable":73},183,"86985","Hice lo que quise, a la manera que quise, porque no tenía que mostrar nada a nadie.",755.7,758.8,{"idx":283,"utterance_id":1163,"speaker_name":69,"text":1164,"start_s":1165,"end_s":1166,"word_count":179,"indexable":73},"86986","Así que creo que es la película que siento más mía, porque no tuvo ninguna interferencia.",759.84,764.6,{"idx":1168,"utterance_id":1169,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1170,"start_s":1171,"end_s":1172,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},185,"86987","¿Y leíste el libro de Paulo Lins?",769.56,772.62,{"idx":1174,"utterance_id":1175,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1176,"start_s":1177,"end_s":1178,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},186,"86988","No había guion, por lo tanto, adaptado para el cine.",773.82,779.08,{"idx":1180,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":69,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":9,"indexable":73},187,"86989","Y jamás pensé en hacer una película sobre una favela, porque no la conozco, no soy de ese mundo, soy de São Paulo, esa historia en Río.",779.12,784.82,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":69,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},188,"86990","Entonces fui de verdad a leerlo, porque era un buen libro.",784.88,788.54,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":69,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":179,"indexable":73},189,"86991","Y empecé a leer y me fui quedando impactado, esa inmersión en una parte de Brasil que yo desconocía.",789.82,796.8,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":69,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":339,"indexable":73},"86992","Tenía 40 años, brasileño... educado, un tipo que... y no conocía cómo funcionaban las relaciones, un lugar que no tiene Estado, no tiene... 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problema.",935.42,938.66,{"idx":1392,"utterance_id":1393,"speaker_name":69,"text":1394,"start_s":1395,"end_s":1396,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},223,"87025","Nadie estaba entendiendo ese mundo.",939.44,941.04,{"idx":1398,"utterance_id":1399,"speaker_name":69,"text":1400,"start_s":1401,"end_s":1402,"word_count":151,"indexable":73},224,"87026","Entonces, Ciudad de Dios, la idea era explicar cómo comenzó eso.",941.34,943.6,{"idx":1404,"utterance_id":1405,"speaker_name":69,"text":1406,"start_s":1407,"end_s":1408,"word_count":27,"indexable":73},225,"87027","Así que la película comienza en los años 60, muestra las primeras partes de la sociedad abandonada, que es expulsada de algunos barrios de Río, son arrojadas a Ciudad de Dios y no hay Estado allí.",944.98,955,{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":69,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":151,"indexable":73},226,"87028","Entonces vemos cómo el narcotráfico puede ocupar un espacio del 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viendo en lo que se convirtió, que son las facciones.",973.56,976.02,{"idx":1445,"utterance_id":1446,"speaker_name":69,"text":1447,"start_s":1448,"end_s":1449,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},232,"87034","En cierto modo lo indica.",976.16,977.24,{"idx":1451,"utterance_id":1452,"speaker_name":69,"text":1453,"start_s":1454,"end_s":1455,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},233,"87035","Ciudad de Dios explica cómo dejamos que ocurriera, cómo nació lo que tenemos hoy.",978.62,982.74,{"idx":1457,"utterance_id":1458,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1459,"start_s":1460,"end_s":1461,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},234,"87036","Soy un amante del cine, pero no soy especialista en eso.",983.66,987.74,{"idx":1463,"utterance_id":1464,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1465,"start_s":1466,"end_s":1467,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},235,"87037","Y me intrigan tus películas.",988.26,990.16,{"idx":1469,"utterance_id":1470,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1471,"start_s":1472,"end_s":1473,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},236,"87038","Quería preguntarte por curiosidad.",991.62,993.24,{"idx":1475,"utterance_id":1476,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1477,"start_s":1478,"end_s":1479,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},237,"87039","La cámara en cada una de ellas funciona de manera muy diferente.",995.26,999.18,{"idx":1481,"utterance_id":1482,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1483,"start_s":1484,"end_s":1485,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},238,"87040","En Ciudad de Dios hay una dinámica de cámara ahí, cómo atrapas a esa gallina al comienzo de la película, la manera en que las personas, los homicidios ahí, cómo son retratados.",1000.24,1013.46,{"idx":1487,"utterance_id":1488,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1489,"start_s":1490,"end_s":1491,"word_count":375,"indexable":73},239,"87041","Luego tienes en El jardinero fiel algo que incluso comentaba contigo hace un rato, que estaba viendo una película con mi mujer y dije, este tipo debe ser arquitecto, no es posible, las líneas que traza en la filmación, es algo muy... inusual, los ángulos que ve.",1014.28,1033.52,{"idx":1493,"utterance_id":1494,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1495,"start_s":1496,"end_s":1497,"word_count":191,"indexable":73},240,"87042","Luego viene Saramago, Ensayo sobre la ceguera, y Dos Papas, que es algo muy de planos cerrados.",1034.3,1040.92,{"idx":1499,"utterance_id":1500,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1501,"start_s":1502,"end_s":1503,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},241,"87043","Todo es muy diferente.",1042.94,1044.08,{"idx":1505,"utterance_id":1506,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1507,"start_s":1508,"end_s":1509,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},242,"87044","¿Cómo funciona en tu cabeza?",1044.38,1046.82,{"idx":1511,"utterance_id":1512,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1513,"start_s":1514,"end_s":1515,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},243,"87045","¿la dirección con respecto a la historia?",1047.9,1050.68,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1517,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1518,"start_s":1519,"end_s":1520,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},"87046","¿Qué va a... Cómo es el proceso creativo?",1051.5,1054.84,{"idx":1522,"utterance_id":1523,"speaker_name":69,"text":1524,"start_s":1525,"end_s":1526,"word_count":179,"indexable":73},245,"87047","Todas estas películas las hice con el mismo fotógrafo del que hablamos aquí, que es César.",1055.56,1059.2,{"idx":1528,"utterance_id":1529,"speaker_name":69,"text":1530,"start_s":1531,"end_s":1532,"word_count":84,"indexable":73},246,"87048","¿Los cuatro?",1059.34,1059.86,{"idx":1534,"utterance_id":1535,"speaker_name":69,"text":1536,"start_s":1537,"end_s":1538,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},247,"87049","Sí, es un gran amigo, compañero.",1060.14,1061.56,{"idx":1540,"utterance_id":1541,"speaker_name":69,"text":1542,"start_s":1543,"end_s":1544,"word_count":191,"indexable":73},248,"87050","Y es realmente el tipo... La primera vez que vi una cámara de cine, César era el fotógrafo.",1061.6,1066,{"idx":1546,"utterance_id":1547,"speaker_name":69,"text":1548,"start_s":1549,"end_s":1550,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},249,"87051","Él decía, esto aquí, pones negativo aquí y tal.",1066.22,1068.12,{"idx":1552,"utterance_id":1553,"speaker_name":69,"text":1554,"start_s":1555,"end_s":1556,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},250,"87052","Realmente me enseñó.",1068.16,1069.66,{"idx":1558,"utterance_id":1559,"speaker_name":69,"text":1560,"start_s":1561,"end_s":1562,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},251,"87053","Y entonces empecé a hacer publicidad con él y tal.",1070.66,1073.22,{"idx":1564,"utterance_id":1565,"speaker_name":69,"text":1566,"start_s":1567,"end_s":1568,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},252,"87054","En fin, haciendo películas y tal.",1073.9,1075.76,{"idx":1570,"utterance_id":1571,"speaker_name":69,"text":1572,"start_s":1573,"end_s":1574,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},253,"87055","Pero él realmente es mi profesor de cine.",1075.86,1078.12,{"idx":1576,"utterance_id":1577,"speaker_name":69,"text":1578,"start_s":1579,"end_s":1580,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},254,"87056","Y antes de cada una de estas películas, siempre hacemos una o dos semanas de mesa.",1079.52,1083.34,{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":69,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":207,"indexable":73},255,"87057","Hacemos escenas, primero intentamos inventar un concepto de fotografía para la película, luego vamos escena por escena, cómo vamos a resolver eso, cómo va a tener un concepto general?",1083.38,1093.8,{"idx":1588,"utterance_id":1589,"speaker_name":69,"text":1590,"start_s":1591,"end_s":1592,"word_count":162,"indexable":73},256,"87058","y luego seguimos... Y creo que ese trabajo de mesa, de pensar, se vuelve consistente.",1093.9,1101.4,{"idx":1594,"utterance_id":1595,"speaker_name":69,"text":1596,"start_s":1597,"end_s":1598,"word_count":84,"indexable":73},257,"87059","el trabajo.",1101.56,1101.92,{"idx":1600,"utterance_id":1601,"speaker_name":69,"text":1602,"start_s":1603,"end_s":1604,"word_count":139,"indexable":73},258,"87060","Ciudad de Dios, por ejemplo, nuestro gran problema era que eran actores no profesionales.",1102,1105.82,{"idx":1606,"utterance_id":1607,"speaker_name":69,"text":1608,"start_s":1609,"end_s":1610,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},259,"87061","Entonces, con un tipo que no es profesional, si le dices, mira, dices esta frase aquí, caminas, siéntate aquí y luego terminas tu diálogo aquí.",1106.44,1111.96,{"idx":1612,"utterance_id":1613,"speaker_name":69,"text":1614,"start_s":1615,"end_s":1616,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},260,"87062","El tipo no tiene técnica.",1112.6,1113.56,{"idx":1618,"utterance_id":1619,"speaker_name":69,"text":1620,"start_s":1621,"end_s":1622,"word_count":179,"indexable":73},261,"87063","Se va a preocupar por la marca, llega aquí porque tiene que captar esa lucecita en su rostro.",1113.62,1117.02,{"idx":1624,"utterance_id":1625,"speaker_name":69,"text":1626,"start_s":1627,"end_s":1628,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},262,"87064","Va a mirar a la cámara.",1117.06,1117.7,{"idx":1630,"utterance_id":1631,"speaker_name":69,"text":1632,"start_s":1633,"end_s":1634,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},263,"87065","No va a saber, ¿no?",1117.74,1118.46,{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":69,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},264,"87066","Entra en la luz aquí.",1118.82,1119.66,{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":69,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":173,"indexable":73},265,"87067","Entonces dijimos, vamos a hacerlo de una forma en que queden totalmente libres de cualquier marca.",1119.98,1125.88,{"idx":1648,"utterance_id":1649,"speaker_name":69,"text":1650,"start_s":1651,"end_s":1652,"word_count":185,"indexable":73},266,"87068","Entonces metíamos a los tipos en la sala, no había ningún trípode en la luz, la luz siempre estaba escondida.",1126.7,1131.34,{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":69,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":162,"indexable":73},267,"87069","Entonces podían ir a donde quisieran y César con la cámara en la mano",1131.82,1134.58,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":69,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},268,"87070","iba allí y los cazaba.",1135,1135.84,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":69,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":121,"indexable":73},269,"87071","Repetíamos algunas veces, cada vez cambiaban el texto.",1135.88,1138.44,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},270,"87072","Eso fue una decisión tomada en función del contexto.",1138.48,1141.02,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":69,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":173,"indexable":73},271,"87073","Porque sabíamos que si marcábamos a los actores, íbamos a arruinar la actuación.",1141.48,1145.14,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":69,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":179,"indexable":73},272,"87074","Y si los soltábamos completamente, se involucraban y tal, y entonces quedaría auténtico.",1145.2,1150.14,{"idx":1690,"utterance_id":1691,"speaker_name":69,"text":1692,"start_s":1693,"end_s":1694,"word_count":151,"indexable":73},273,"87075","Entonces tenemos una actuación muy buena de esos muchachos, ¿no?",1150.64,1154.32,{"idx":1696,"utterance_id":1697,"speaker_name":69,"text":1698,"start_s":1699,"end_s":1700,"word_count":191,"indexable":73},274,"87076","A causa de la opción fotográfica, que fue básicamente el maestro César quien dijo, vamos a ayudar a los actores con la fotografía.",1155.38,1162.08,{"idx":1702,"utterance_id":1703,"speaker_name":69,"text":1704,"start_s":1705,"end_s":1706,"word_count":90,"indexable":73},275,"87077","Y entonces ayudamos.",1162.38,1163.1,{"idx":1708,"utterance_id":1709,"speaker_name":69,"text":1710,"start_s":1711,"end_s":1712,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},276,"87078","En cada película hay una idea de ese tipo.",1164.8,1167.02,{"idx":1714,"utterance_id":1715,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1716,"start_s":1717,"end_s":1718,"word_count":173,"indexable":73},277,"87079","Y en el caso de Dos Papas, la fotografía tiene que ver con la grandiosidad de los dos actores.",1167.28,1171.92,{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":69,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":185,"indexable":73},278,"87080","En Dos Papas, siempre lo presentamos, a Bento XVI, con planos alemanes, rígido, bien cuadrado, compuesto.",1172.52,1180.3,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":69,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":95,"indexable":73},279,"87081","Presentamos a... Bergoglio, argentino, con cámara en mano, en medio de la favela, en medio de... Entonces cada uno tenía un lenguaje, un comportamiento de cámara.",1180.44,1188.52,{"idx":1732,"utterance_id":1733,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1734,"start_s":1735,"end_s":1736,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},280,"87082","Pero el hecho de que sean dos profesionales con décadas de cine cambia.",1189.5,1193.42,{"idx":1738,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},281,"87083","Cambia la estrategia de filmación.",1194.8,1196.14,{"idx":1744,"utterance_id":1745,"speaker_name":69,"text":1746,"start_s":1747,"end_s":1748,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},282,"87084","En fin, hacíamos la historia de una manera y la otra.",1196.8,1200.4,{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":69,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":139,"indexable":73},283,"87085","Y en el momento en que se encuentran, empezamos a mezclar un poco.",1201.4,1203.6,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":69,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":173,"indexable":73},284,"87086","Y había algo de usar mucho cámara cerca y cámara en mano para que fuera muy íntimo.",1203.76,1207.12,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":69,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},285,"87087","La idea era que no... 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espontáneo.",1225.14,1230.74,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":69,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},290,"87092","En fin, es interesante este asunto de cómo la manera, la lente que usas, la forma en que usas la cámara.",1232.3,1237.76,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":69,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},291,"87093","Cuenta la historia, de cierta manera.",1238.4,1239.78,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":69,"text":1805,"start_s":1806,"end_s":1807,"word_count":90,"indexable":73},"87094","Si ocurre un...",1240.02,1248.6,{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":253,"indexable":73},293,"87095","Fernando, hay una escena que circula en internet de Ensayo sobre la ceguera en la que tienes un gesto de cariño con Saramago después de ver la película con él.",1253.96,1261.66,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},294,"87096","¿Qué pasó allí?",1262.54,1263.68,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":1823,"start_s":1824,"end_s":1825,"word_count":90,"indexable":73},295,"87097","¿Qué ocurrió?",1263.84,1264.6,{"idx":1827,"utterance_id":1828,"speaker_name":69,"text":1829,"start_s":1830,"end_s":1831,"word_count":191,"indexable":73},296,"87098","Saramago, en fin, mientras estaba haciendo la película, me encontré con él algunas veces, en una cena en su casa.",1264.98,1269.74,{"idx":1833,"utterance_id":1834,"speaker_name":69,"text":1835,"start_s":1836,"end_s":1837,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},297,"87099","Era un tipo bonachón, muy cálido y de buen humor.",1270.06,1273.52,{"idx":1839,"utterance_id":1840,"speaker_name":69,"text":1841,"start_s":1842,"end_s":1843,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},298,"87100","¿Pilar estaba junto?",1274.24,1275.14,{"idx":1845,"utterance_id":1846,"speaker_name":69,"text":1847,"start_s":1848,"end_s":1849,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},299,"87101","Pilar estaba presente.",1275.32,1276.2,{"idx":1851,"utterance_id":1852,"speaker_name":69,"text":1853,"start_s":1854,"end_s":1855,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},300,"87102","Pilar era increíble.",1276.26,1277,{"idx":1857,"utterance_id":1858,"speaker_name":69,"text":1859,"start_s":1860,"end_s":1861,"word_count":185,"indexable":73},301,"87103","Y pasó que, cuando terminé la película, la película inauguró el Festival de Cannes y estaba previsto que él fuera.",1277.7,1283.5,{"idx":1863,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":69,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},302,"87104","Pero casi murió.",1283.68,1284.62,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1869,"speaker_name":69,"text":1870,"start_s":1871,"end_s":1872,"word_count":121,"indexable":73},"87105","Fue un período en que él estuvo dos años muy... muy mal.",1284.76,1287.88,{"idx":1874,"utterance_id":1875,"speaker_name":69,"text":1876,"start_s":1877,"end_s":1878,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},304,"87106","Entonces no fue a Cannes.",1288.08,1289.18,{"idx":1880,"utterance_id":1881,"speaker_name":69,"text":1882,"start_s":1883,"end_s":1884,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},305,"87107","Entonces proyectaron la película del primer día en Cannes.",1289.84,1291.82,{"idx":1886,"utterance_id":1887,"speaker_name":69,"text":1888,"start_s":1889,"end_s":1890,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},306,"87108","Recibí palos\u002Fcríticas por todos lados.",1292.02,1293.7,{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":69,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},307,"87109","La crítica odió la película.",1294.22,1295.8,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":69,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},308,"87110","Así que estaba en un estado muy deprimido.",1296.02,1298.22,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":69,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},309,"87111","Y al día siguiente fui a Lisboa para mostrársela a él.",1299.14,1301.84,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":69,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},310,"87112","Arreglaron una sala de cine enorme.",1302.3,1304.18,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":69,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},311,"87113","Solo yo, él, tres personas más y mi hijo.",1304.3,1306.06,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":69,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},312,"87114","Y pasaron la película.",1307.6,1308.42,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":69,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":90,"indexable":73},313,"87115","Él estaba callado.",1308.46,1309.02,{"idx":1934,"utterance_id":1935,"speaker_name":69,"text":1936,"start_s":1937,"end_s":1938,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},314,"87116","Se sentó a mi lado, en la butaca de al lado.",1309.14,1310.92,{"idx":1940,"utterance_id":1941,"speaker_name":69,"text":1942,"start_s":1943,"end_s":1944,"word_count":139,"indexable":73},315,"87117","Terminó la película, empezaron a rodar los créditos y él no decía nada.",1312.04,1314.68,{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":69,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},316,"87118","Ese tipo odiaba la película.",1315.94,1317.58,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":69,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},317,"87119","Ahora se acabó mi carrera, voy a plantar patatas.",1317.66,1320.56,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":69,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},318,"87120","Entonces miré hacia atrás, hacia un lado.",1321.84,1323.06,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":69,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},319,"87121","Él estaba medio llorando.",1323.1,1324.06,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":69,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":102,"indexable":73},320,"87122","Entonces se volvió hacia mí y dijo: fue uno de los momentos más bonitos de mi vida.",1324.84,1328.6,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":69,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},321,"87123","Nunca vi una película tan bonita.",1329.14,1330.66,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":69,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},322,"87124","Me quitó un peso.",1331.98,1332.92,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":69,"text":1990,"start_s":1991,"end_s":1992,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},323,"87125","Fui allí y le besé la frente.",1333.54,1335.54,{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":69,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},324,"87126","No soy besucón, pero... dije, me quitó un peso de encima... Y mi hijo estaba en primera fila, grabó y luego lo publicó.",1335.66,1342.02,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":345,"indexable":73},325,"87127","Ahora, estaba leyendo sobre usted, antes de esta conversación, y me di cuenta de que estuvo mucho más presente en nuestras vidas de lo que incluso yo imaginaba, aunque conocía más o menos todo su recorrido, pero usted hizo cosas así... muy importantes también para la TV brasileña.",1410.98,1430.64,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":162,"indexable":73},326,"87128","Y no sé si la gente retiene toda la información sobre su trayectoria.",1431.44,1435.68,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":82,"indexable":73},327,"87129","Y me acordé, releyendo, de Rá-Tim-Bum, que es precursor de Castelo.",1436.52,1442.98,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":69,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},328,"87130","Es una preescola en la TV.",1443.98,1444.98,{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},329,"87131","Eso es algo increíble.",1446.06,1447.66,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},330,"87132","Quisiera que usted contara un poco de eso.",1447.92,1449.54,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2038,"start_s":2039,"end_s":2040,"word_count":151,"indexable":73},331,"87133","Y después la historia de Vida Privada que usted también dirigió algunos episodios.",1450.08,1454.42,{"idx":2042,"utterance_id":2043,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2044,"start_s":2045,"end_s":2046,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},332,"87134","de textos de Luiz Fernando Everíssimo.",1455,1457.02,{"idx":2048,"utterance_id":2049,"speaker_name":69,"text":2050,"start_s":2051,"end_s":2052,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},333,"87135","En fin, Rá-Tim-Bum, en realidad, fue un encargo del Sesc.",1458.3,1461.34,{"idx":2054,"utterance_id":2055,"speaker_name":69,"text":2056,"start_s":2057,"end_s":2058,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},334,"87136","Querían hacer una preescolar para la población que no tenía preescolar en la época, para que las madres pudieran dejar al hijo delante de la televisión y el contenido de la preescolar estuviera ahí.",1461.42,1471.9,{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":69,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":151,"indexable":73},335,"87137","Entonces, cada episodio, en fin, eran 80 episodios y cada uno tenía un currículo.",1472.9,1479.16,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":69,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":139,"indexable":73},336,"87138","Así que había lateralidad, arriba y abajo, había un currículo real para cada programa.",1479.62,1487.28,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":69,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":121,"indexable":73},337,"87139","El desafío era cómo hacer ese currículo de una forma interesante.",1489,1491.74,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":69,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},338,"87140","Decidí crear 500 personajes y cada personaje se encargaba de un aspecto: del color, del número, de la introducción a la letra, en fin.",1491.78,1501.42,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":69,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},339,"87141","Esa fue con Flávio de Souza, que escribió.",1501.8,1504.5,{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},340,"87142","Y eso dio origen a Castelo.",1505.22,1508.38,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":69,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},341,"87143","¿después?",1508.42,1508.96,{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":69,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":173,"indexable":73},342,"87144","Eso funcionó tan bien que... Bueno, la Cultura creó un canal que se llama Canal Rá-Tim-Bum, ¿no?",1509,1514.98,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":69,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":179,"indexable":73},343,"87145","Y cuando terminó, querían hacer otra serie del mismo tipo, pero para niños más grandes.",1515.6,1520.96,{"idx":2114,"utterance_id":2115,"speaker_name":69,"text":2116,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},344,"87146","Rá-Tim-Bum es para niños de hasta 5 años, ¿no?",1521.22,1523.02,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":69,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":75,"indexable":73},345,"87147","Preescolar.",1523.1,1523.58,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":69,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":162,"indexable":73},346,"87148","Entonces dije, ahora vamos a hacer uno para de 6 a 10, 12.",1524.16,1526.48,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":69,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":173,"indexable":73},347,"87149","Empecé, pero dije, no voy a aguantar dos años más, porque fue muy duro.",1526.54,1532.44,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":69,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},348,"87150","Invité entonces a Carl Hamburger.",1533.16,1534.4,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":69,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},349,"87151","Carl entró en mi lugar y la rompió.",1535.2,1537.58,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":69,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},350,"87152","Castelo es precioso.",1537.78,1538.64,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":69,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},351,"87153","Castelo es sensacional.",1539,1540.2,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":116,"indexable":73},352,"87154","Carl es un gran director también.",1540.24,1541.8,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},353,"87155","Además, Brasil tiene una buena generación de directores.",1542.1,1545.94,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":69,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":90,"indexable":73},354,"87156","Nuestra, aún más.",1546.28,1546.84,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":69,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},355,"87157","Y ahora... con la ley del audiovisual, que aumentó mucho la producción de televisión, sobre todo, y del cine también, se están haciendo 150 largometrajes por año, la nueva generación de jóvenes directores es muy...",1547.2,1559.06,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":69,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},356,"87158","Hombres y mujeres, ¿no?",1559.14,1560.96,{"idx":2192,"utterance_id":2193,"speaker_name":69,"text":2194,"start_s":2195,"end_s":2196,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},357,"87159","Hay mucha gente buena.",1561.02,1562.2,{"idx":2198,"utterance_id":2199,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2200,"start_s":2201,"end_s":2202,"word_count":15,"indexable":73},358,"87160","¿Tiene usted preocupación por lo que está pasando en Brasil, en términos políticos, en el sentido de... Cree que esa buena camada, esa buena generación de grandes cineastas, corre algún riesgo?",1562.28,1576.52,{"idx":2204,"utterance_id":2205,"speaker_name":69,"text":2206,"start_s":2207,"end_s":2208,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},359,"87161","No, entonces... Un riesgo concreto.",1576.94,1578.86,{"idx":2210,"utterance_id":2211,"speaker_name":69,"text":2212,"start_s":2213,"end_s":2214,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},360,"87162","Hay una luz al final del túnel, que es 2022.",1580.26,1582.52,{"idx":2216,"utterance_id":2217,"speaker_name":69,"text":2218,"start_s":2219,"end_s":2220,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},361,"87163","Así que no es que el cine brasileño haya acabado.",1582.62,1585.98,{"idx":2222,"utterance_id":2223,"speaker_name":69,"text":2224,"start_s":2225,"end_s":2226,"word_count":43,"indexable":73},362,"87164","Habrá un período, pero en este período dejaremos de tener muchas películas, de tener muchas producciones que podrían estar saliendo y dando lugar a otras.",1586.86,1594.32,{"idx":2228,"utterance_id":2229,"speaker_name":69,"text":2230,"start_s":2231,"end_s":2232,"word_count":162,"indexable":73},363,"87165","Muchos colegas tienen proyectos parados, porque no sabes si van a liberar el dinero.",1595.38,1598.7,{"idx":2234,"utterance_id":2235,"speaker_name":69,"text":2236,"start_s":2237,"end_s":2238,"word_count":97,"indexable":73},364,"87166","Eso ya está pasando.",1598.74,1599.66,{"idx":2240,"utterance_id":2241,"speaker_name":69,"text":2242,"start_s":2243,"end_s":2244,"word_count":90,"indexable":73},365,"87167","Ya está pasando.",1599.76,1600.58,{"idx":2246,"utterance_id":2247,"speaker_name":69,"text":2248,"start_s":2249,"end_s":2250,"word_count":110,"indexable":73},366,"87168","El sector se está frenando.",1600.8,1602.96,{"idx":2252,"utterance_id":2253,"speaker_name":69,"text":2254,"start_s":2255,"end_s":2256,"word_count":214,"indexable":73},367,"87169","Los que están trabajando con Netflix, las plataformas que tienen dinero privado, HBO también pone su dinero, eso está rodando, eso está funcionando.",1604.96,1615.02,{"idx":2258,"utterance_id":2259,"speaker_name":69,"text":2260,"start_s":2261,"end_s":2262,"word_count":60,"indexable":73},368,"87170","Ahora, el sector tiene una gran parte que depende de dinero público, de incentivos, lo cual creo que tiene todo el sentido.",1616.08,1620.86,{"idx":2264,"utterance_id":2265,"speaker_name":69,"text":2266,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":121,"indexable":73},369,"87171","La cultura es como la educación, es también un deber del Estado.",1621.5,1624.24,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":69,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},370,"87172","El cine no tiene que dar beneficios necesariamente.",1625.72,1627.82,{"idx":2276,"utterance_id":2277,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2278,"start_s":2279,"end_s":2280,"word_count":162,"indexable":73},371,"87173","¿Crees que la... es una pregunta retórica, evidentemente, la que te voy a hacer?",1628.38,1633.42,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":214,"indexable":73},372,"87174","Pero ¿crees que el área económica tiene la dimensión de lo que genera en empleo y oportunidades el área de la cultura hoy en el mundo?",1633.52,1643.12,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":292,"indexable":73},373,"87175","A veces me preocupo por esos economistas que van a hacer cursos en el exterior y vuelven llenos de hojas de cálculo, llenos de esquemas en la cabeza, en relación con la vida concreta, de cómo van las cosas en el mundo.",1643.88,1655.86,{"idx":2294,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":369,"indexable":73},374,"87176","No sé si es tu impresión también, pero creo que a veces a esos tecnócratas les falta un poco tener los pies en la tierra para ver qué está generando empleo, qué es la economía creativa, qué proyecta a un país en el exterior, qué efectivamente una cosa impulsa a la otra.",1656.98,1676.12,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":69,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},375,"87177","Parece que realmente no lo tienen.",1678.24,1679.18,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":69,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":197,"indexable":73},376,"87178","Y lo bueno de esta industria, no solo porque en Brasil hablan de 300 mil... 300 mil empleos, 3 mil millones, facturación mayor.",1679.54,1686.5,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":69,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},377,"87179","qué industria 'teste', por ejemplo.",1686.58,1688.14,{"idx":2318,"utterance_id":2319,"speaker_name":69,"text":2320,"start_s":2321,"end_s":2322,"word_count":151,"indexable":73},378,"87180","Pero lo más interesante de esto es que son empleos muy cualificados.",1688.84,1692,{"idx":2324,"utterance_id":2325,"speaker_name":69,"text":2326,"start_s":2327,"end_s":2328,"word_count":162,"indexable":73},379,"87181","El salario medio de esta industria es alto y la cualificación también es mayor.",1692.24,1696.86,{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":69,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":4,"indexable":73},380,"87182","Así que formas y empleas gente más cualificada, más preparada.",1697.56,1700.76,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":69,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":129,"indexable":73},381,"87183","La gente necesita reciclarse todo el tiempo.",1700.8,1703.6,{"idx":2342,"utterance_id":2343,"speaker_name":69,"text":2344,"start_s":2345,"end_s":2346,"word_count":49,"indexable":73},382,"87184","En fin, es mucho mejor tener en el país una industria de gente cualificada que una industria de personas que solo hacen trabajo mecánico.",1704.4,1710.24,{"idx":2348,"utterance_id":2349,"speaker_name":69,"text":2350,"start_s":2351,"end_s":2352,"word_count":104,"indexable":73},383,"87185","Pero no tienen ni idea realmente.",1712.44,1714.22,{"idx":2354,"utterance_id":2355,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2356,"start_s":2357,"end_s":2358,"word_count":123,"indexable":73},384,"87186","Hay muchos técnicos de nivel medio en el audiovisual.",1714.72,1717.42,{"idx":2360,"utterance_id":2361,"speaker_name":77,"speaker_slug":78,"text":2362,"start_s":2363,"end_s":2364,"word_count":173,"indexable":73},385,"87187","A veces la persona no tiene universidad, pero entiende de fotografía, tiene un curso técnico de fotografía.",1717.78,1724.04,{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":69,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":179,"indexable":73},386,"87188","Un equipo de... 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